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Featured Sign of the end (day of the LORD/judgment)?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by 2ndpillar, Dec 30, 2017.

  1. 2ndpillar

    2ndpillar Well-Known Member

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    What is the obvious sign that the end (Joel 2:31),(Matthew 24:29)(Revelation 6:12)(Zechariah 14:1-3)(Revelation 16:14-16)?

    The obvious sign is what is happening now, which is the gathering of all the nations against "Jerusalem" (Zechariah 14:2 & Revelation 16:16). What will be the consequences? "Jerusalem" will be "captured" (Zechariah 14:2) and there will be the "great earthquake", and "huge hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, came down from heaven upon men". Artillery shells can be weigh around 100 pounds each, such as a 155 mm artillery shell, or the individual war heads of a multiple warhead missile can also weigh around 100 pounds each. Shell (projectile) - Wikipedia As for the "great earthquake", well, the super volcano, located under Yellowstone, has had around 2400 tremors in the last couple of months, and Japan is issuing warnings about an upcoming large earthquake expected in the near future. What can one do, well, a volcano generally starts with heat and fire, but ends up in a sort of nuclear winter, whereas the sun is blocked out and everything freezes. A similar instance is the Yucatan comet explosion, whereas anything anywhere close is either vaporized or cooked at the temperatures near that of a pizza over, and later, the skies are darkened and you get no sun and extreme cold. Apparently, the small mammals that lived in the ground and eat seeds were able to survive, whereas the large reptiles all died. Happily, the time will be "cut short" for the "elect" or no one would survive (Matthew 24:22).
     
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    People have been claiming the "signs of the time" for a couple thousand years now, and it's never happened. What makes your claim any different?
     
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    What claim? I am simply pointing out the most obvious signs of the coming day of judgment. It is meant to give warning to the tares (Matthew 13:30), who will be "first" "gathered out" and thrown into the "fire". The "tares" actually think they will be taken out to be saved (1 Corinthians 15:52-53), which is a pox on them. The timing could be today, tomorrow, next year, or whatever time you have scheduled for your vacation to see Yellowstone. The "tares" are those that make appearance of looking like wheat, but are lawless (Matthew 13:41 & Matthew 7:23). They will all be cast to "a place with the hypocrites, weeping shall be there and the gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 24:51) & (Matthew 13:42). The ultimate sign is "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world" (Matthew 24:14), and that gospel is "repent; for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." (Matthew 5:17), which by way of the Internet, is now able to reach from one end of the world to the other.
     
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    These claims:

    It's been captured several times before. And those "gathering against it" have pretty much been gathering against it for thousands of years.

    Someone here actually did resort to the "great earthquakes," and it didn't happen.

    Very few volcanic eruptions have ever done such a thing. As for Yellow Stone, the increased seismic activity is not meaning its pending eruption is coming closer.

    People have been saying that for 2000 years--for the duration of Christianity--and it's never happened. Ragnarok never came either. Every predicted "end time scenario" has failed. Even when Jesus said the time would come will some of those listening to him would still be alive, it didn't happen (and subsequently Christians have seemed to ignore that claim of "while some of you still live."
     
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    Six heads of the beast, from Nebuchadnezzar through Titus, son of Vespasian, have ruled Jerusalem (Revelation 17:10). We are now in the era of the 8th head of the beast (Revelation 17:11), who was and is not at the writing of the book of Revelation. The last capture of Jerusalem will be under the influence of the 8th head's "unclean spirit" (Revelation 16:13-16). As for Yellowstone, I think that the time span for eruptions is 600,000 to 800,000 years, and we are at the 640,000 year mask since the last eruption. Yellowstone Volcano's Twin Super Eruptions: The Caldera That Altered Global Climate
     
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    What evidence can you provide to prove this claim anymore solid or credible than every body else who has been claiming we're in the end of times?
     
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    It is kind of simple. Yeshua said the ruler of the world is coming, and he has nothing in me (John 14:30). The ruler of the world is the dragon of Revelation 13:4, who has given his authority to the beast with 7 heads. There is no lapse in the rule of the prince of the world, who is Satan/devil, the dragon (Revelation 20:2). The 7th head of the beast, the beast with two horns like a lamb, is dead, and he was Constantine the Great king of Rome, who instituted the Roman church at his Council of Nicaea. His Roman church was a daughter of Babylon (Revelation 17:5) who went on to have other harlot daughters, known as the Protestants. Like mother like daughter. The following 8th head of the beast had 10 horns (Revelation 17:12). They will hate the "harlot", which is Judah, one of the harlot daughters of Babylon, who worshipped Marduk (Jeremiah 50:2), the god of Babylon . Marduk - Wikipedia The 10 horns of the 8th head will "hate the harlot, and will make her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and burn her up with fire" (Revelation 17:16). An example of this behavior is best shown with regards to Hitler, the instituter of the Third Reich, the 3rd Roman Empire. He was good at burning the Jews, as well as making them naked. Hitler was just one of the horns of the 8th head of the beast. Judah and Israel have been "crushed in judgment" (Hosea 5:10-11) for 2000 years. It is now time that the nations which crushed Jacob, receive their due (Jeremiah 30:11), for "I will destroy completely all the nations where I have scattered you".
     
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    He did. He also said it will come like a thief in the night, that it will be unexpected.
     
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    However, I find since Pentecost the Israel of God is Not earthly Jerusalem but heavenly Jerusalem, and located Not on Earth, but in heaven as per Revelation 20 and Galatians 4:26 that 'Jerusalem above' is Now mother.
    So, looking to literal earthy Israel or earthly Jerusalem (who God abandoned according to Jesus at Matthew 23:38) is looking at the former literal Israel or Jerusalem. Since Pentecost, the Israel of God is a spiritual nation meaning the Christian Congregation. God's spiritual nation has No boundaries or No borders located on any map.
    - 1 Peter 2:9,5.

    Luke 21:11 does Not mention there will be 'the' great earthquake, but rather Luke was describing the types or categories of earthquakes ( great earthquakes ) we would be seeing before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, sets up global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.

    The time that will be 'cut short' is the time of the 'final signal', so to speak, found at 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 when ' they' (powers that be) will be saying, " Peace and Security " as the precursor of the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14. As the ' end ' came hard and swift in Noah's day, and the 'end' came hard and swift for Sodom and Gomorrah, then that pattern shows the end of all badness on Earth will also be hard and swift.
    The words from Jesus' mouth will rid the Earth of the wicked as per Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16.
     
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    Besides seeing the events as found at Luke 21:11,etc. we see with all the bad global things happening coupled with all the badness, or the 'bad news' of men's kingdoms, we also now have evidence that Matthew 24:14 is now in it's final phase, so to speak, because the 'good news' of Daniel 2:44 is Now proclaimed on a vast international scale as never before in history. That is leading up to the soon coming ' time of separation ' on Earth as mentioned at Matthew 25:31-33,37,40. So, we are truly in the end times of all badness on Earth before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.
     
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    Yes, an unexpected thief as per 1 Thessalonians 5:2, but also coupled with the unexpected surprise of verse 3 when 'they' (powers that be) will be saying, " Peace and Security" but that saying of peace and security serves as a warning, or the precursor, for the coming 'great tribulation' of Revelation 7:14.
     
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    I find Matthew 24:14 and Acts of the Apostles 1:8 more solid, or more credible, as never before in history because the good news of God's kingdom (Daniel 2:44) is being proclaimed on such a vast international scale today as never before in history. Even modern technology has now made possible rapid Bible translation, meaning that now people even in remote areas of Earth can have Scripture in their own mother tongue or native languages.
     
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    Seems to me in the ^ above ^ you are referring to the transfiguration VISION of Matthew 17:9
    Starting at Matthew 16:27 to Matthew 17:9 that VISION is in connection to Matthew 25:31-33.

    Those living apostles with Jesus saw a VISION, and Not a real happening.
    In other words, they were given a preview picture, or a coming attraction, of the future time of Matthew 25:31-33.
    Moses stood for or represented the Law, whereas Elijah represented the prophets.
    Which is in connection to what Joel wrote, and is fulifilled at Acts of the Apostles 2:16-18.
     
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    Machine translations are pretty much a given to be crappy. It's why Google Translate has a reputation for being easy to spot by native speakers of a language, and known for being wrong when used for anything more complexed than the most simply of sentences.
    Those things have always been going on.
    That's been going on for awhile now. Is Jesus procrastinating on his own return?
    You haven't demonstrated or offered evidence for anything beyond Biblical passages. Only vague, nondescript prophesy that is easily applied to many different points in history. It's why so many have been saying we are living in the end times, because of the vagueness of prophecy, and why for 2000 years they have been consistently wrong.
    What makes today any different from any other time those who rule have been offering peace and security?
     
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    The point I was trying to make is that it is Not an offering of peace and security, but that there will be a saying of Peace and Security. Seems as if that will be a pronounced saying, and things could look rosy, so to speak, for a while before the political suddenly, surprisingly turns on the religious world.

    I also was Not talking about machine translations, but that people in remote area's of Earth can have the Bible translated by native peoples who know the languages. It is thus easy to compare any language with both the Greek and Hebrew Interlinear.

    Luke 21:11 is beyond biblical passage because the global events described in Luke chapter 21 and Matthew chapter 24 have both a minor and a MAJOR fulfillment, The MAJOR is for our day of time frame- 1 Thessalonians 5
     
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    Paul, John and Simon the stone (petros) contradict Yeshua's teachings in the Synoptic Gospels; if someone follows something, yet does the opposite, this is called a what? :oops:

    In my opinion.
    :innocent:
     
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    I didn't claim otherwise. The question was when have state leaders not claimed such a thing, only to bring war and destruction and tyranny?
    Comparing one language to another is never that easy of a task. Often enough, there are words used to describe concepts, emotions, and ideas that don't exist in another language. Even linguistic scholars debate over the meaning of just a single word, and it's not unusual if it's a Greek word that is being debated. It doesn't help that the English Bible itself is not a very good translation of the original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic.
    When have those things not been going on? Surely those who lived during the Black Death, a plague that killed millions, possibly as many as 75 to 200 million (up to a 1/4 of the global population back then), had more claim for this passage than we do today.
     
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    When we use multiple dictionaries, concordance, and the original language in something like E-sword Bible software, we're basically learning the language; similar to someone who was a scholar, would know the multiple meanings behind a word, this now a days can be looked up instantly, which years ago would've taken years of scholarship.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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