Shroud of Turin is from first AD.

[Sheldon]

Sheldon said: ↑
How is that string of bizarre and incomprehensible claims, objective evidence for anything?

I didn’t see any bizarre, incomprehensible claims.

I never said you did? They were bizarre and incomprehensible to me, obviously, I thought that was pretty clear?

You don’t agree is fine but easy to follow, even for a person like myself with all my brain cells that got destroyed by drugs.

OK, then it should be easy to explain to me why you think that post represented objective evidence for any deity?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Nope it's the programmers who wrote the software that you use to post. I do wish people would stop with the, they are nothing, god did it. If god exists then its damn certain he/she/it had nothing to do with the software development

Your software not the computer software but yeah you have programming called your soul and that came from your Creator. Your body is the hardware.

 

[Sheldon]

Ok so you don’t get my post, so will chalk that up to being over your head. I’m good with that too

You're the one who thinks a comment I directed at someone's post content on here was ad hominem. I have explained why I thought it was not, and you then claimed the comments were unnecessary, so I pointed out that they were entirely apropos observations of his posts in this thread. So it's not clear what exactly you think I have misunderstood, or why? Maybe you need to clearly explain what it is your claiming here, and why.

 

[Sheldon]

Your software not the computer software but yeah you have programming called your soul and that came from your Creator. Your body is the hardware.

Objective evidence please?

 

[Sheldon]

Our work here is saving the atheists, brother.

No it isn't, this is a public debate forum, and proselytising most definitely is against the rules.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I’m not talking about the common design and physical body of animals but even our flesh is different than animals. But talking about our soul and spirit, which are much different than animals.

"Common design" would be evidence of a designer that was neither omnipotent nor omniscient.

 

[ChristineM]

Your software not the computer software but yeah you have programming called your soul and that came from your Creator. Your body is the hardware.

And your evidence is where?

You are welcome to your beliefs but that's just what they are, beliefs

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ok so you don’t get my post, so will chalk that up to being over your head. I’m good with that too

Please, this sort of post is begging for a "funny" frubal.

 

[Sheldon]

You can know what happens to your physical body but what about your soul? How do you know what happens to that after you die?

I'd need a demonstration of sufficient objective evidence a soul exists, or is even possible first, before I would waste time worrying about hypothetical claims about what might happen to it after I die.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Okay, I think that we should get off the evolution kick. There are other threads where we can discuss the fact that life is the product of evolution.

Let's get back to how we know that the Shroud of Turin is a relatively recent hoax.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Our work here is saving the atheists, brother.

What? The Pope of all Atheists told me that our work here is to save Christians.

 

[Sheldon]

Not. The other features together with 2022 AD age-test result, is sufficient reason to say: there is God.

No it isn't, this is still just an unevidenced assumption you have leaped to. We can't be sure this new testing method is more reliable than the established one previously used, and as your own video link noted, the specialist scientists doing peer review suggested caution before reaching any conclusions about the result.

Even were the result verified, it would not represent objective evidence for any deity, why would you think it does?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Your the one who thinks a comment I directed at someone's post content on here was ad hominem. I have explained why I thought it was not, and you then claimed the comments were unnecessary, so I pointed out that they were entirely apropos observations of his posts in this thread. So it's not clear what exactly you think I have misunderstood, or why? Maybe you need to clearly explain what it is your claiming here, and why.

Ok then, well these are your words:
For a self proclaimed genius you seem pretty gullible.

 

[Sheldon]

Seems obvious that human beings are more than just a body, we wouldn’t be contemplating these issues in the first place.

Nope, that doesn't seem obvious to me at all, could you explain your rationale? Our intellect is a product of our evolved physical brain, and we can objectively evidence this of course. In every instance where a brain dies, the accompanying consciousness disappears forever, and when a brain is damaged the functions that are impaired directly correspond the area of the brain damaged and what science knows about it's function. I had no consciousness before being born either, before my brain started to properly function and I became sentient.

 

[Sheldon]

Check Ukraine.

Cryptic see?

 

[Sheldon]

Please define self-awareness.

Conscious knowledge of one's own character and feelings.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not. The other features together with 2022 AD age-test result, is sufficient reason to say: there is God.

No. What you would first need to do is to shown that it is well accepted that this new dating technology is more reliable than C14 dating. I sincerely doubt if you can do that. Besides that the sample in the article in your OP consisted of one, count 'em one single thread. Usually scientists go for multiple sites and a method for others to repeat this would be needed. Al of the reliable evidence that I have seen shows that the Shroud is recent.

 

[questfortruth]

you seem to be playing innocent and naive like you didn’t get what I was saying.

Welcome to spiritual war, brother.

 

[shunyadragon]

The Top Science has proven in 2022 AD that God does exist:

No such proof exists. Ah . . . . which God or Gods are proven to exist? The datin of the 'cloth of the shroud does not prove God exists.

``New Peer Reviewed Date for the Shroud of Turin'' YouTube, De Caro L., Teresa Sibillano, Rocco Lassandro, Cinzia Giannini,
Giulio Fanti, ``X-ray Dating of a Turin Shroud's Linen Sample'' Heritage 5(2), 860--870 (2022).

X-ray Dating of a Turin Shroud’s Linen Sample[/QUOTE]

The cloth may be dated to the first century, but the anatomically distorted image and blood fail the test.

New forensic tests suggest Shroud of Turin is fake

 

[Sheldon]

What? The Pope of all Atheists told me that our work here is to save Christians.

Oi! First rule of atheist club, DON'T TALK ABOUT ATHEIST CLUB!