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Featured Shroud of Turin is from first AD.

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by questfortruth, Jun 26, 2022.

  1. Spirit of Light

    Spirit of Light Be who ever you want

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    Spiritual lifestyle is obviously not what you seek, that is no problem for me
     
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    You haven't explained why DNA doesn't matter? Hand waving DNA is hilarious.



    Biology says your species is homo sapien/modern human
    the Genus is homo
    the Tribe is Homininni
    the Subfamily is homininae
    the Family is Hominidae which is all apes - Pongo, Gorilla, Pan, Homo

    Then Infraorder begins breaking it down to Simians, anthropoids, higher apes

    That is Taxonomy and is how we classify animals. NOT EVOLUTION. It is complex but precise and uses:
    • Morphological characters
      • General external morphology
      • Special structures (e.g. genitalia)
      • Internal morphology (anatomy)
      • Embryology
      • Karyology and other cytological factors
    • Physiological characters
      • Metabolic factors
      • Body secretions
      • Genic sterility factors
    • Molecular characters
      • Immunological distance
      • Electrophoretic differences
      • Amino acid sequences of proteins
      • DNA hybridization
      • DNA and RNA sequences
      • Restriction endonuclease analyses
      • Other molecular differences
    • Behavioral characters
      • Courtship and other ethological isolating mechanisms
      • Other behavior patterns
    • Ecological characters
      • Habit and habitats
      • Food
      • Seasonal variations
      • Parasites and hosts
    • Geographic characters
      • General biogeographic distribution patterns
      • Sympatric-allopatric relationship of populations
     
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  3. questfortruth

    questfortruth Well-Known Member

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    All must came from God. The God is the very first source. Hence, General Relativity came not from Einstein or Science, but from God:

    John 15:5-7 NIV “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
     
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    Weird left turn? Non-sequitur? Not even correct at that? You still haven't even defined the term spirituality? Then You haven't defined what you mean by "spiritual lifestyle".
    YOur statement I answered was incorrect, or do you think the Heavens Gate got their souls onto that UFO? Either way it's clear the term has many different meanings.
    I know about many versions of "spirituality" because I looked into them. Maybe I still am?
    Some think spirituality is meditating, Buddhism and working on one's self while alive. Others think it's belief in myths and mythical afterlifes. The term is useless as it is.

    Seems the more one drags spirituality into the supernatural the more one is adding fictional baggage onto it. One Hinduism isn't bad, Advaita Vedanta but when they get to explaining proofs of some concepts it falls short.
     
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    Nope, Inanna was first. Innana is God

    "Queen of all given powers...
    my Queen of fundamental forces
    guardian of essential cosmic forces
    you life up the elements
    bind them to your hands
    before you, all the great Gods
    fly away to the ruins
    all knowing
    creator of wisdom
    creator of male and female
    life giver to all.....

    from the Exaltation of Inanna, Enheduanna (first known author in history)
     
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    It's gibberish, and that was my answer above. Most comments on species evolution by creationists are gibberish, as they have "learned" about their cartoon version of it through creationist propaganda. Sometimes it's funny, but mostly it's so incomprehensible it's embarrassing gibberish, as was the case here, where @ElishaElijah seemed to be suggested that different species ought to be able to breed because they have common or shared ancestry. Proving unequivocally he doesn't understand what a species it, or that apes (uncluding humans) are a taxonomical group and not a single species, and that all living things have shared ancestry.
     
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    No it isn't, even were the new date established it woudn't evidence anything about th erelic beyond its date of origin, that's just your ridiculous hubris, which is a hallmark of almost every single post of yours. What's more the peer review scientist (in the video you linked) pointed out that this was a new dating technique, and that it contradicted a very different existing result using a well established method, and thus we should use cautions before reaching any conclusion about this test, before it can be thoroughly investigated. You are so biased it's hilarious, you've been proclaiming yourself a scientific genius for months on here, and yet can't grasp a most basic requirement for any scientist like remaining objective, and using caution when making assertions.
     
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    Proselyting.
     
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    Spirit of Light Be who ever you want

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    That is your belief
     
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    Dating a piece of cloth doesn't evidence anything supernatural about it, and the technique's result is not conclusive, as your own video explained. Miracles are defined as have no scientific explanation, if science can explain them then there is no need to pretend they're a miracle anymore. Good god man consult a dictionary now and again.

    miracle
    noun
    1. an extraordinary and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore attributed to a divine agency.
     
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    Spirit of Light Be who ever you want

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    Why do i answer you vague?
    Because I have nothing to prove to others. My answer only comes from my own understanding and understanding of what spiritual lifestyle has done for me in the last 35 years.

    If you have found your own answer to what spirituality is or isn't, that is good
     
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    Stop banning Holy Bible.
     
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    Faith is not blind. Trust could sometimes be blind, but not the faith.
    The supreme Apostle Paul said that faith is the assurance of things
    not seen. Is there an even better definition?
    Faith is loyalty and faithfulness. For example, we know that you can
    not put your fingers in a fire. But we are not faithful to this principle
    and prohibition. So, we have put them in and got a severe burn. Faith in
    God is fidelity and faithfulness to the path of Goodness and Holiness.
     
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    No he wasn't wrong, your claim was risible, precisely because you think you can use your own arbitrary definitions.
     
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    It's not banned, and that's not what proselytising means.
     
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    Faith
    noun
    strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.
     
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    Circular reasoning fallacy.
     
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    I REPEAT: Stop forbidding to use Bible verses. Bible is alive as anybody is and has right to say own opinion.
     
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    For the word of God is alive Hebrews 4:12
     
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    It is all-time low to ban Holy Bible.
     
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