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Featured Shroud of Turin is from first AD.

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by questfortruth, Jun 26, 2022.

  1. questfortruth

    questfortruth Well-Known Member

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    But I have not lied as well. Some Creationist can lie to save an atheist. But I have provided all facts: peer-reviewed paper, sufficient reasoning principle.
     
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    If you want to investigate further then go to the site of the youtube and click on the links in Resources, below the video.
     
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    Firstly this redirecting of the point is called whataboutism, as it has no actual relevance, if you are actually trying to suggest that your conclusions here, namely that the new date should be accepted prima facie, but worse that this date means it is proof of the supernatural claims assigned the relic in question, and a deity, are comparable to the scientific research you cited, then I don't believe you, as the physicist working on that research would never simply reach a conclusion based on nothing but assumptions as you have done here again, though they might use assumptions to direct research, which isn't remotely comparable. FWIW no scientist worthy of the name would make such an obvious false equivalence, and certainly not a genius.
     
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    I never remotely implied you had lied, and I have no idea what your creationist reference means or why you think it is significant to this discourse. Peer review is a basic requirement, we also have peer review to confirm the original dating that this new technique differs from, again then your own linked video specifically said that experts during peer review said we should use caution about reaching any conclusion about this new date, your posts here do not exhibit any such caution in reaching conclusions. Violating the 4th law of logic you cited.

    I understand your eager bias, but as I said it is palpable in your claims here, as indeed it is elsewhere, the hubris is too obvious to avoid.
     
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    Yes I did watch the video, the commentator stated plainly that since this new technique disagreed with a previously peer reviewed dating procedure, they advised caution before reaching any conclusion about this new date.

    Also the date itself don't represent objective evidence for the supernatural claims assigned the relic, let alone for an extant deity, as the threat trumpeted in the OP.
     
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    questfortruth Well-Known Member

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    No bias! Because it means, I must be banned again.
     
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    questfortruth Well-Known Member

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    You are taken their words out of context. At the start of the paper was caution, then came arguments, and the paper concludes with 100 % certainty, that the age is first AD.
     
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    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    So it's bull poop then, no scientific evaluation will ever claim 100% certainty
     
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    questfortruth Well-Known Member

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    Wrong. The authors will never blaspheme own results. It is the job of trolls.
     
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    So its not science then, they do not follow the scientific method.

    Edit: and i just checked WAXS dating is no more than 10% accuracy.
     
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    It doesn't make Jesus a god, how does one get to that conclusion, please? Right?

    Regards
     
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    Is satan a god? No? What about USA church of satan?
     
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    You've lost me sorry, your bias is self evident in may of the hubristic titles you give your threads, but I don't believe hubris or bias is violating any forum rules?
     
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    The context wasn't mine, it was the narrator of the video you yourself linked. Nothing in science is ever 100% certain, no credible scientists or anyone with a cursory understanding of its methods would make such an embarrassing claim.

    The conclusion here disputes an existing one, and uses a different and new method of testing. Until the different conclusions are fully understood the peer review scientists suggested caution before reaching any conclusions about this result. Yet you have done precisely the opposite, and here again using ludicrous hyperbole like 100% certain.
     
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    Where does he say that?
     
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    His claim was not part of the research, just his own ludicrous hyperbole.
     
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    Anyone able to explain what this even means?
     
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    questfortruth Well-Known Member

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    In his books.
     
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    I think it means that if anyone disagree with the result in this research, they become automatically trolls :confused:
     
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    I will never say that it is not certain that I have made discovery. Why then to write paper?
     
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    disagree without any reason.
     
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