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Featured Shroud of Turin is from first AD.

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by questfortruth, Jun 26, 2022.

  1. Subduction Zone

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    But you keep ignoring the fact that it is not a baby. Every time that you try to force the usage of that term you admit to having no valid arguments against abortion.
     
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    Okay, so you have not read it. Thanks for telling us. Some sects do not like the idea of their members reading the Bible. The Catholic church used to have laws about owning a Bible outside of the Church. They want to control the flow of information. Haven't you ever been tempted to read it?
     
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    Thanks for proving that the Bible is wrong.
     
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    Nope, but why would I care?
     
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    Dear friend, it was a long-stressed day on RF forum. I am sure, you could rethink your judgements.
     
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    All I have seen is a deep emotional attachment to Utube idiot videos.
     
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    What don’t you get by the common terms of baby in development? You can tell the sex by 10-12 weeks. That’s not a blob of cells as you try to justify killing a human being. I think and hope you know better and at least you said after 24 weeks for sure is wrong. 100% of the people should agree on that.
    Just so you don’t get the wrong idea, I’m pro life from conception. It’s pro-choice before sex and after that only for certain situations like a mother’s life is at risk.
     
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    Yes, but we know that you are not really pro-life. You are only anti-abortion. There is a difference. And no, there is no "justification in killing a human being". A human being is more than just a clump of cells or even a developing embryo or fetus. For example it is not murder to pull the plug on a person that is certified to be brain dead. That person is already dead. Personhood exists in the brain. Not in the arms. Not in the legs. And not even in the sexual organs.
     
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    You know this? Or you assume something and making a judgement ? Who is we? Are you legion?
     
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    Throughout the history of Christianity, the beginning of the human life of the embryo has changed. I do not believe religion can make that determination in the judgment of many different views which define what is a viable living human legally. The dominant pro-life view in the USA is making an arbitrary unfortunate judgment on what represents the beginning of the life of a human being that is not consistent in history. We are entering a time when our government is becoming increasingly Christian Theocratic.

    Calling yourself a pro=life from conception is just another autocratic religious demand of criteria that leads to the oppression of other views on the beginning of a human life, which has not been consistent among Christians nor in Christian history.

    Being unable to determine the sex of the individual in any period of embryonic development is not remotely a viable criterion for determining what is a human being.

    Real-life never begins nor ends throughout the cycles of life death and reproductions. Describing 'a bunch of cells' in one way or another does not address the issue as to what can nor cannot be defined as a living human.
     
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    The same question can be made of you and your arbitrary autocratic assumptions as to what is human life.
     
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    The pictures of baby development are clear and what do you even mean by arbitrary autocratic? You’re saying I’m wrong about human life in the mother’s womb? Are you saying at conception that is not human life?
     
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    Emotive rhetoric....
     
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    Can anyone translate that into English?
     
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    Ad hominem yet again, the speed of your ad hominem posts is impressive.
     
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    No, and no, and try to understand basic grammar, like commas.
     
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    You repeatedly confirm it. Being pro-life is not just being antiabortion.
     
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    At conception it is still very much a part of a human body within a womb. Human, as in being an adjective.
     
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    Eh, it was a bad joke. I can take it.
     
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