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Shroud of Turin is from first AD.

Sheldon

Sheldon

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ElishaElijah said:
Here’s a list of biblical scholars:
A List Of Conservative And Liberal Bible Scholars
Modern atheists often say that “a majority of scholars…” say certain things regarding the reliability of the Bible. When we press these individuals on precisely who these scholars are, we find that they are most often liberal scholars who do not believe God exists in the first place.
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That list has been debunked again and again, they're offering subjective beliefs, just because someone is a biblical scholar doesn't mean everything they believe satisfies the criteria for validating historical claims. The crucifixion and therefor an extant character called Jesus, and the only two claims corroborated independently and thus considered to likely be historically true, the rest is pure hearsay.

The rest of your post is risible, the idea that believers would be far less likely in general to find biblical claims unreliable than unbelievers, it's so trivially true as to be meaningless.
 
ElishaElijah

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Sheldon said:
Legal abortion involves neither children nor murder, it usually involves an insentient blastocyst, or developing but still insentient foetus, so this is a risible false equivalence.
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Sheldon said:
Legal abortion involves neither children nor murder, it usually involves an insentient blastocyst, or developing but still insentient foetus, so this is a risible false equivalence.
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You can justify a developing human being by calling it by another name but when looking at the pictures of a developing baby in the womb, this shows a different picture and reality.
How are abortions done? What’s the method at say 15 weeks?
So this is more along the lines of sacrificing to Molech or worse.
 
ElishaElijah

ElishaElijah

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Sheldon said:
That list has been debunked again and again, they're offering subjective beliefs, just because someone is a biblical scholar doesn't mean everything they believe satisfies the criteria for validating historical claims. The crucifixion and therefor an extant character called Jesus, and the only two claims corroborated independently and thus considered to likely be historically true, the rest is pure hearsay.

The rest of your post is risible, the idea that believers would be far less likely in general to find biblical claims unreliable than unbelievers, it's so trivially true as to be meaningless.
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I find it very accurate
 
Sheldon

Sheldon

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ElishaElijah said:
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You can justify a developing human being by calling it by another name
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You're the one doing that, not me.

but when looking at the pictures of a developing baby in the womb, this shows a different picture and reality.
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Well there you go, quod erat demonstrandum, it is an insentient developing foetus, and not yet a baby. You are mispresenting it as such to use emotive rhetoric.

How are abortions done? What’s the method at say 15 weeks?
So this is more along the lines of sacrificing to Molech or worse.
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That depends if you hold the bizarre notion that terminating an insentient clump of cells is comparable to killing a fully sentient human being, and since it is not remotely comparable, then your point is unclear? The fact remains it is a part of a woman's body, topologically connected, and using here immune system, metabolisms and blood for oxygen and nutrients, in order to develop, thus it is her decision to allow her body to continue to be used.
 
Sheldon

Sheldon

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questfortruth said:
They are preparing another ban for a Christian, do not mess it up. I want to suffer more.
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You were the one who falsely tried to claim another poster had violated the rules. Failed to explain which rule he had violated as he had not done so, and are now complaining when I point out that proselytising is against the rules, this is a debate forum.
 
shunyadragon

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
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questfortruth said:
We all will fight the Death at the deathbed. Why not during all life?
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Your Motic Operandi: Change the subject with meaningless statements and not respond to posts concerning the subject of the thread. Please respond . . .

It is obvious by your religious agenda that you would accept the dating of the shroud of Turin based on the same principles that date our historical past 40 t0 50 thousand years and evolutionary past, and the history of the earth } but not accept the dating paleontological and geologic history by C14 and related radiometric dating methods that use the same atomic principles.

For example, the c14 and other radiometric dating methods correlated with the evidence of a uniform natural stratigraphy demonstrate the impossibility of a Noah world flood.
 
ElishaElijah

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Sheldon said:
That depends if you hold the bizarre notion that terminating an insentient clump of cells is comparable to killing a fully sentient human being, and since it is not remotely comparable, then your point is unclear? The fact remains it is a part of a woman's body, topologically connected, and using here immune system, metabolisms and blood for oxygen and nutrients, in order to develop, thus it is her decision to allow her body to continue to be used.
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A developing baby is not just clump of cells is it? That’s your view? So you’re saying the innocent in this case has no voice or rights and at which stage of the pregnancy is the developing baby more than a clump of cells? Is a beating heart just a clump of cells? Arms, legs, a brain, nervous system?
 
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