Shouldn't love and compassion be extended to all sentient beings...

[rational experiences]

Time cube.

No. Inference is just a thought.

A scientist says thoughts created.

Consciousness.

Yet he is talking science abstract thinking.

+ Cross not real.
O God natural. Heavens mass. Mass in heavens change naturally.

Not a cross.

Why you destroyed our life.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Do all we can to help.
Do you consider spiritual help a waste of time, in that regard?

Things like "praying" - yes. Complete waste of time. Donating time & effort, or monies are not a waste however. Do you see how it is the physical/material interaction that ends up mattering? Not "well wishes" and "nice thoughts."

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

You clearly misread the statement you quoted. Unfortunately, it resulted in your composing a narrative I'm already aware of. But I'm glad you did, because awareness is the first step in affecting change. Thank you for that.

I see my mistake in assuming that you felt that dairy and egg production was intrinsically "humane." However, even given the idea that the dairy cow must be impregnated in order to begin producing milk, and that the lion's share of the milk produced will not go to its calf, which would need to be separated from the mother in order for milk producers to get the volumes of milk they need in order for consumers' milk prices not to sky-rocket out of control, there may not be such a thing possible as a wholly "humane" dairy industry. Eggs are, of course, a different matter, as I already admitted. But dairy - there's currently no squeezing that into a box labeled "humane."

 

[SalixIncendium]

I see my mistake in assuming that you felt that dairy and egg production was intrinsically "humane." However, even given the idea that the dairy cow must be impregnated in order to begin producing milk, and that the lion's share of the milk produced will not go to its calf, which would need to be separated from the mother in order for milk producers to get the volumes of milk they need in order for consumers' milk prices not to sky-rocket out of control, there may not be such a thing possible as a wholly "humane" dairy industry. Eggs are, of course, a different matter, as I already admitted. But dairy - there's currently no squeezing that into a box labeled "humane."

But it's not impossible to make the dairy industry humane. Sure simple economics dictate that less milk production leads to higher prices, but if the goal is to get people to stop drinking milk anyway, what's the harm?

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

But it's not impossible to make the dairy industry humane. Sure simple economics dictate that less milk production leads to higher prices, but if the goal is to get people to stop drinking milk anyway, what's the harm?

Forced impregnation would still be a sticking point for me.

 

[nPeace]

Things like "praying" - yes. Complete waste of time. Donating time & effort, or monies are not a waste however. Do you see how it is the physical/material interaction that ends up mattering? Not "well wishes" and "nice thoughts."

So you think that a person who unlike you believes in God, should not be given support even if that support comes in the form of prayer?
Do you not find that quite selfish - that is, thinking only of what you think matters to you... and not the other person?

What about comforting words that come from scripture, and give people hope? Do you think we should also take that away from people?

Helped not to Give Up Hope — Sergey Botankin
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Do you despise that help which millions of people appreciate and have benefited from... and are benefiting from?

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

So you think that a person who unlike you believes in God, should not be given support even if that support comes in the form of prayer?
Do you not find that quite selfish - that is, thinking only of what you think matters to you... and not the other person?

What about comforting words that come from scripture, and give people hope? Do you think we should also take that away from people?

Helped not to Give Up Hope — Sergey Botankin
Burt Mann: I Have Finally Become Something

Spoiler: Helping the Community ... Spiritually

Bible-based education helping the deaf in Indonesia

A jw.org booth at a seminar for teachers in the Philippines
Educators in the Philippines See Benefits of JW.ORG

Bringing Hope and Comfort to the Elderly
Jehovah’s Witnesses visit residents of aged-care facilities in Australia.

A Campaign That Saved Lives
Why did Jehovah’s Witnesses organize a special two-month preaching campaign in the Mexican state of Tabasco? What results did it achieve?

Helping Refugees in Central Europe
Refugees need more than physical assistance. Witness volunteers provide comfort and hope by sharing consoling thoughts from the Bible.

Youths Helped to Deal With Bullying at School
Hugo, aged ten, received a Diana Award for helping others to deal with bullying. How did this young man become an anti-bullying ambassador?

Helping Schoolchildren Succeed in Thailand
Jehovah’s Witnesses in Thailand conducted a special campaign to help students succeed in school. What did school administrators, teachers, and parents say?

Jehovah’s Witnesses Honored for Helping Detainees
What outstanding service did nine Jehovah’s Witnesses provide to detainees at Australia’s largest immigration detention center?

JW.ORG—Changing Lives for the Better
People from all walks of life tell how specific Bible-based advice on jw.org is helping them live a better life.

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Do you despise that help which millions of people appreciate and have benefited from... and are benefiting from?

Prayer for people WHO KNOW THEY ARE BEING PRAYED FOR, can actually boost a person's positive outlook on a situation. This has been proven in scientific studies.

Prayer done on your own, in secret, that literally no one knows about is the kind that is completely and utterly useless (except perhaps to the person doing the praying).

 

[nPeace]

Prayer for people WHO KNOW THEY ARE BEING PRAYED FOR, can actually boost a person's positive outlook on a situation. This has been proven in scientific studies.

At least you consider help in that area a good thing. I can live with that.

Prayer done on your own, in secret, that literally no one knows about is the kind that is completely and utterly useless (except perhaps to the person doing the praying).

I suppose a person who is in prison, having no idea that someone is even thinking about them, may feel utterly discouraged... except he is praying for himself.
If suddenly and unexpectedly, they are called and told, that they will be released, they might feel more encouraged, thinking that perhaps they were not alone in their prayers.

 

[ajay0]

As one example when there is not sufficient means of dietary sustenance without eating meat.

If there is lack of sufficient vegetarian food necessary to sustain the body, then it is not immoral to eat nonvegetarian food for sustenance.

However there is no need for subjecting the animal or bird to unnecessary cruelty before death at least. That will be like killing it many times over. And definitely emotionally fragile and vulnerable infant animals and nursing mothers can be exempt from slaughter.

Compassion and mercy to animals have been emphasized in all religions as a meritorious act.

I remember reading an article about Prophet Muhammad admonishing a camel owner who was about to brand his camel on the face with a heated iron, and requesting him to brand it on the camel's rump instead. His argument was that the face is a sensitive part while the rump was not, and branding the camel on its rump would be less painful for the camel.

On an another occasion, Muhammad was about to commence his prayers when he saw a cat sleeping on his prayer mat. Muhammad silently and gingerly cut the free part of the mat without disturbing the sleeping cat, and then used it for his prayers. It's obvious from these examples that he was sensitive to the welfare of the animals around him.

Nonvegetarian Sikhs similarly kill the animal in a swift stroke so as to ensure a quick and painless death to the animal. This is known as Jhatka and is obligatory for Sikhs. Animals killed painfully and slowly are forbidden for Sikhs.

Buddha's efforts similarly led to the substantial reduction of animal sacrifices in India, which was widespread in those times.

Emperor Ashoka, after his remorse following the carnage of the Kalinga war, adopted Buddhism as his faith, and became a vegetarian and stopped his daily diet of meat. Ashoka's rock edicts declare that injuring living things is not good, and no animal should be slaughtered for sacrifice though he did not prohibit common cattle slaughter or beef eating.

He imposed a ban on killing of "all four-footed creatures that are neither useful nor edible", and of specific animal species including several birds, certain types of fish and bulls among others. He also banned killing of female goats, sheep and pigs that were nursing their young; as well as their young up to the age of six months. He also banned killing of all fish and castration of animals during certain periods considered to be holy and auspicious.

Because he banned hunting, created many veterinary clinics and eliminated meat eating on many holidays, the Mauryan Empire under Ashoka has been described as "one of the very few instances in world history of a government treating its animals as citizens who are as deserving of its protection as the human residents".

If Ashoka (c. 268 – c. 232 BCE ), more than 2300 years back could adopt measures reducing cruelty towards animals and ensuring their welfare, I am sure we can do the same in the twenty-first century A.D with much superior appliances, science and technology.