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Should we have to use pronouns?

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by K8_reid, Apr 7, 2019.

  1. K8_reid

    K8_reid New Member

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    Do you think everyone should have to use gender pronouns if asked? Should they be enforced by law? Why/why not?
     
  2. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    Misgendering a person is disrespectful, so only misgender a person if you want to express disrespect.

    It's not generally illegal to be a jerk, but being a continual, unapologetic jerk often isn't conducive to staying employed.
     
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  3. Erebus

    Erebus Well-Known Member

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    This is mostly a matter of courtesy. I had one friend who came out as transgender and asked me to start using "she" instead of "he." Now I'll admit that I slipped up a few times as old habits die hard, but I apologised and corrected myself when it happened.

    Why would I insist on continuing referring to her as male? It seems a petty and unpleasant thing to do for no good reason.
     
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  4. Stevicus

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    One thing I never could understand is this: We have pronouns and proverbs, but why don't have any proadjectives?
     
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  5. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    Sure I will use someone's preferred pronouns if asked and informed. But to enforce it by law is too heavy handed. Your getting into the realm of thought policing when you make laws enforcing the type of speech you are allowed/not allowed.
     
  6. Sky Rivers

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    No, people should be free to have their own opinions , including the opinion that they don’t agree with another’s gender identity.
     
  7. Father Heathen

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    It shouldn't be enforced by law, but should be done out of respect and courtesy.
     
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  8. Father Heathen

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    One can disagree without deliberately being rude. Of course we use the pronoun "it" for those who choose to be so.
     
  9. Sky Rivers

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    Personally, I choose not to reinforce people’s delusions if at all possible.
     
  10. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    Absolutely not as a matter of enforcement.

    Asking out of respect to use pronouns would be a different story*.

    (If the person isn't acting like a real ***hole to you.)
     
  11. Father Heathen

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    Yet you no doubt expect that courtesy for your religion, am I right?
     
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  12. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    I hear Jordan Peterson had a quarrel about this

    no doubt you can find it
     
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  13. Father Heathen

    Father Heathen Veteran Member

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    I also heard old man Cletus from the farm down the road had a quarrel about it, too.
     
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  14. Woberts

    Woberts The Perfumed Seneschal

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    Yes. To do otherwise is a deliberate attack on said person. As such, it should be enforced by law.
     
  15. Thief

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    is that a slam on Jordan?
     
  16. Father Heathen

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    No, it's a "slam" on old man Cletus.
     
  17. Father Heathen

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    If verbal attacks were to be against the law, then RF would be considered a hotbed of illegal activity.
     
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  18. Polymath257

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    Well, the words 'he' and 'she' are part of the language. There are extensions to *gender neutral* pronouns, like 'sie' or 'zie'.

    Trying to dictate language use by law is a huge mistake.

    Could you be more specific concerning what you want to discuss?
     
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  19. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    Bah. Screw that.
     
  20. Sky Rivers

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    Pardon?
     
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