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Should we believe the experts or the politicians regarding climate change?

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Notanumber, Aug 18, 2019.

  1. ratiocinator

    ratiocinator Strange Loop

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    Whereas the big oil companies, logging interests, and other climate change deniers are not at all elite, are they? :rolleyes:
     
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  2. Notanumber

    Notanumber A Free Man

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    As I said

     
  3. It Aint Necessarily So

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    Sure we can. There are multiple proxies for rising temperature rising such as melting ice caps, changing migration patterns, changing sea levels, the bleaching of coral reefs, the frequency and severity of extreme weather events (droughts, floods, blizzards, tornadoes, hurricanes), changing ocean currents (surface and deep water temperatures, current directions and speeds, and salinity levels), something called phenology (the date of the first winter freeze and the spring thaw, when trees bud and lose their leaves, the behavior of various insects [apparently the rate at which crickets chirp is a reliable indicator of current temperature]. These are all changing consistent with warming of the planet. It isn't necessary to know the before and after temperatures.

    Actually, some people are doing something about it. Our home went solar about nine years ago, and we now get our electricity for free without producing greenhouse gases. We still have heat and air conditioning, and charge our phones with solar power. Our hot water comes from solar heating, which has reduced our propane consumption to about 1/4th of what it was.

    We actually collect more power than we need, which all goes to the local power company, allowing it to reduce its need to burn fossil fuels. Our carbon footprint might be less than zero if this offsets what we produce burning propane and gasoline.

    If this is a hoax, it's been a very profitable one. One need not be interested in climate change to be interested in free power once the system has paid for itself.

    It's not necessary to end fossil fuel burning, just reduce it sharply.
     
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  4. Notanumber

    Notanumber A Free Man

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    Would it pay off for you if it were not being subsidised by others being forced to pay carbon/green taxes?

    If it is the answer, why the need for the attacks on those that are not believers?

     
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    You are scraping the barrel when you are posting from a channel that describes itself as..."Tradition Family Property Student Action promotes and defends moral values and is active on college campuses nationwide. We are pro-life, pro-marriage and pro-God. Join the crusade. Sign up for our weekly alerts. God bless you!"
     
  6. Notanumber

    Notanumber A Free Man

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    I could not give a damn about that. I am interested in what they have to say.

    It used to be possible to have an alternative view without being shouted down or worse.
     
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    :facepalm: So this "expert" (Marc Morano) doesn't even have a science degree.

    You can believe any old nonsense these days and wrap yourself in a bubble of sources that will only agree with you and tell you that everything else is "fake news", a conspiracy, or whatever. That's why we have flat-earthers, anti-vaxxers, 6-day, 6,000ya creationists, climate change deniers, and so on, and so on... It's not the real world.
     
  8. Altfish

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    It is an alternative view; based purely on Jesus and God - the planet is given to us by God and if the planet ends it is God's will and the 'true believers' will all be saved a join JC is heaven.
    I know I disagree with you on politics but good grief surely you don't believe that nonsense!
     
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    I presume you have not watched the video to come to those absurd conclusions.

    Here is another video for you not to bother watching because it would burst your bubble and that would never do.



    I would rather be perceived as a climate change denier than a reality denier.

    So far, I am not convinced about climate change and neither should you be.
     
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  11. Altfish

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    I've watched that one before, they cherry pick the evidence.
     
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    NEVER trust politicians
     
  13. Notanumber

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    It’s a bit hypocritical.

     
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    Willie Soon seemed to be far more on the ball than this interviewee was.



    Willie is more open to being challenged than Bill is.
     
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    That is often the case with interviewers being 'jack of all trades' and 'experts of none'; whereas the interviewee is talking about his/her pet subject.
     
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    Has Bill Nye made a better and more convincing presentation?

    If so, please link to it.
     
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    I don't know why I am your goffer but given an easy challenge...







    I'm sure there are more.

    I still await your comments on the Potholer video ...
     
  18. Notanumber

    Notanumber A Free Man

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    You seem to be impressed by Bill.

    Is he the new high priest of the green new deal pagans?

    What he says we can do on a personal level are what I have been doing most of my life.

    The non-personal things bother me like government interference and the imposition of carbon taxes.
     
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    What on earth are you on about???

    You asked for Bill Nye on Climate Change - as you were incapable of finding it for yourself (Probably because they weren't linked to TR News
    I opened YouTube and searched "Bill Nye Climate Change"
    Guess what? There were lots of them.
     
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    Such aggression which is typical of green new deal advocates.

    I asked has Bill Nye made a better and more convincing presentation.

    Are those three the best you could find?
     
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