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Should we be vegetarians (according to the bible)?

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Druidus, Sep 16, 2004.

  1. Druidus

    Druidus Keeper of the Grove

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    The exact Hebrew wording of this biblical phrase is lo tirtzack which accurately translates as "any kind of killing whatsoever."

    According to the bible, the first people were vegetarians. The first two chapters of Genesis tell a story of man and animal being companions, and trees being the source of food. In Genesis chapter 1, verse 29, God commands man to only eat fruits and vegetables.....

    It is very clear, that right there it says God gave the first people the plants and the trees for food.

    While I am not Christian, I present this for reviewal. Apparantly, the Jesus, and the bible, preach vegetarianism.
     
  2. Scott1

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    Druidus,

    You're taking a lot out of context.... for instance
    has to do with the new Christians that felt the need to adhere to Jewish dietary laws.... the teaching was to not judge those who were weak in faith in Christ and felt the need to observe parts of the old law.

    There are a few others that I would not expect you, a non-Christian, to have known, but it was interesting to see how things can mislead people.

    Peace,
    Scott
     
  3. Green Gaia

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    Well, being vegetarian I look for support of my dietary choices wherever I can get it, but I don't think the Bible was meant as a dietary guide, and should not be used as such by either side. Of course, I find it difficult to use the Bible to completely support the position of either side on almost any issue simply because it can be interrpreted in so many different ways.
     
  4. Druidus

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    You are a vegetarian? Cool! I dodn't know that.

    But what about where Jesus himself condemns the eating of meat?
     
  5. Scott1

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    He doesn't..... those quotes are not acurate. Just because I write: "I love MEAT!" by Druidus does not mean that it's true....

    Scott
     
  6. Druidus

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    Therefore, God proclaims that killing an ox is as wrong as killing a man.

    In hebrew, it says that "thou shalt not perform any form of killing". It's one of the ten commandments.

    Isn't the meaning clear?

    The Romans never converted to Christianity until years after the birth of Christ. It was not in the years of the early Christians. (Yes I do believe he existed, just that he was not divine)
     
  7. Scott1

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    Druidus,

    I really can't explain the whole Bible to you..... you asked the question, I answered it.



    If you honestly think the Book of Romans is directed towards Romans and not Christians (ok Roman Christians).... there is too much work to be done on your understanding of Christianity and the Bible.

    Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of something to eat." ~ Romans 14:20

    It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause any man to stumble.
    ~Romans 14:21

    The Chapter (14) is dealing with Jewish converts to Christianity. It is about not judging someone for being weak in the faith..... read the whole chapter please.

    These passages are about the Christian who understands he/she is not bound by the law being in the prescence of those who don't..... it would be better to not eat meat (non-Kosher foods etc..... sorry, I am not an expert in Jewish food laws) in their prescence than to risk hurting their faith... ie "destroy the work of God."

    Context, context, context............. you gotta believe to understand this stuff, so I apologize if I am not getting my point across.

    Peace,
    Scott
     
  8. anders

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    This is just wrong. A more accurate English translation would be "Thou shalt not commit manslaughter", with the proviso, of course, "unless God has ordered it". The verb root RTsCh is not the ordinary word for 'kill'. This is not just my personal opinion, but I have discussed it with an expert on Bible Hebrew and checked with translations into other languages. For English, the Revised English Bible has "Do not commit murder", which is fairly accurate.

    For Christians and food, it would anyway have been overridden by Mt 15:11, "Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man" (KJV).
     
  9. Mister Emu

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    Yes it is, if you read the surrounding text, it also says "Better is little with the fear of the LORD than great treasure and trouble therewith" Proverbs 15:16, the meaning is it is better to have the lesser of something(no money, a meal of herbs) with good values(fear of the LORD and love) than the greater (great treasure, an ox) with the opposite(no fear of the LORD and hatred)

    Why did you even put Isaiah 1:15 in there? Isaiah 66:3 is in reference to sacrifices.

    On Romans 14 20-21 at least quote them to the fullest.

    To me it is saying, do not eat or drink anything that someone is offended by, trying to recover from or is addicted to.
     
  10. Scott1

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    Thanks for the help Mr E!........ hope this helps you Druidus.

    Scott
     
  11. Lightkeeper

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    He gave fish to the multitudes.
     
  12. Druidus

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    I hope that explains it.
     
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    Where did you get that quote from?
     
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    I don't know what title to put down but, this is a very controversial subject today and many times in the past! As a very determined Christ follower I wish we knew more of what he consumed! At one point he told his followers that he had food they knew not of! They were conserned that he was not eating!
    As to the Gen.1:29 command I think that the creator was giving man his proper meal! The earth of that time was so much different and the plants I would suppose were more nourishing! If you read the long life they lived you begin to wonder! The earth became full of violence and rebellion against the will of GOD and I can see much of mankind killing and eating flesh against GODS will! After Noah came out of the ark, GOD said that they could eat anything that moved on the earth and eat all the plants he gave in Gen.1:29!
    Notice how long people began to live after the flood! 120 years,110 years but only Godly men! Noah lived over 600 years and his sons lived long lives but it degenerated to what, maybe 45 years old in the Dark Ages!? I feel it was because of the hardness of men's hearts and his thoughts are evil from birth that GOD gave all things for men to eat if they choose to do so! Death will come sooner! Moses was given a diet for all of Isreal to eat in the wilderness on their way to the promised land to build them into a mighty army of people
    and take the land! After saying all this I do think we should be more VEGEN then anything else! I will eat at someones table to speak with them and enjoy their hospitality even if it means eating a little pork(yuck)! My diet is about 80% vegitarian and I wish it could be more then that but it takes alot of study in nutrition! Let's not forget all the proccesed slop Americans are eating today, no thank you! At least try to eat organic!Yes the day will come when we will all eat nothing but a VEGEN diet! I enjoyed the thread on do animals have souls? I will try to post there as well!
     
  16. Druidus

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    Just because one of the writers of the bible writes something and attributes it to "God" doesn't mean it's true. :p
     
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    That's another thread entirely!
     
  18. cardero

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    Why would you become vegetarian? Aren't plants living things? Just because you pick an apple from a tree and it doesn't scream does not mean it is not a living thing. The vegetarians adage that "meat is murder" is weak when we consider it from the viewpoint of the plant. From reading these other posts it seems that we are quickly running out of food options to survive.
     
  19. Wleeper

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    I find it interesting that Jesus cooked fish and served it to his disciples. He also fed fish to some 5,000 people on one occassion. Check it out. John 21:9-12. and Matt 14:16-19. Jesus also ate the Passover Meal part of which consisted of the Passsover lamb that was the main course. Just food for thought. Pun intended.
     
  20. Dayv

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    Indeed, Druidus, while I dearly love nature and all that thrives upon this earth, to not eat meat would be to ignore the natural order. The Celts (the original Druids) did eat meat and in fact considered animal hides holy (for lack of a better term). And, as Carrdero said, plants are alive, too, just as alive as any animal. I do not believe that eating meat is wrong, though i do think it should be done sparringly, and we should strongly avoid eating meat from cattle farms or similar vile institutes, but to completely stop eating it is ignorant of the natural order.
     
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