Should pedophiles be put to death?

[Fluffy]

Sticks and stones love...but at least my "attitude" is the kind that will help keep the children safe--even your own children if/when you choose to have any. What's that old saying--better a little caution than a great regret?

Your attitude is not currently keeping children safe. The majority of people have your attidude and it isn't working. A minority is beginning to wake up and wonder why. We only get one life and excluding a person, for doing nothing barring existing, and turning them into an outcast for that life is a dangerous thing to do.

 

[jeffrey]

I wonder what percentage of pedophiles that claim they would never harm a child eventually do? LM, what percentage would be an acceptable amount? 5%? 25%?

 

[Pardus]

What percentage of hetrosexuals rape a woman?

 

[jeffrey]

What percentage of hetrosexuals rape a woman?

Start a thread on that topic and we shall discuss that.

The GF I had back in 98 got raped and murdered. My current wife got raped back in England. But this does not deter from my effort to protect my children, just as I will do what I can to protect my wife.​

 

[Mathematician]

I don't think it matters what percentage causes harm. We can ask that question about anyone who suffers from an illness or problem that makes them different than the "norm". Look at the mentally challenged; a lot of times they're known to lose their anger and hurt neighboring persons. Do we suddenly exclude them from society? I would hope not, especially since I work with the challenged every day and fight for their protection in society whenever I can.

If you don't believe that was a correct comparison, you can take whatever ailment you want. I have sympathy for anyone who suffers from mental disorders, and yes, that includes pedophiles. I'll proudly say that in public.

 

[Faint]

Your attitude is not currently keeping children safe. The majority of people have your attidude and it isn't working. A minority is beginning to wake up and wonder why. We only get one life and excluding a person, for doing nothing barring existing, and turning them into an outcast for that life is a dangerous thing to do.

I don't think the majority of people have as hardlined an attitude as I do. I see more danger in putting less pressure on pedophiles. I am not arguing in favor of maintaining the status quo, but improving it. Let them know that they have a problem that is undesirable and that they must to strive to conform (i.e. seek therapy), or live as outcasts. If we take away the alienation, why would the pedos bother to seek treatment? How long before they become more vocal about lowering the age of consent?

 

[Fluffy]

Just to show that science is with me on this one, here are a list of papers supporting the various points I have made. These are unbiased studies as far as that is possible.

A paper showing how the majority of child sexual molestations are not caused by pedophiles and the reasons behind this:
Crawford, D. (1981). "Treatment approaches with pedophiles." Adult sexual interest in children. 181-217.

A summary of a paper showing the common nature of pedophilia, the recognition of law enforcement that the majority of child sexual molestation is not caused be pedophiles and an explanation of why the term is invalid when referring to somebody on the sole basis of them having had sex with a child:
http://home.wanadoo.nl/ipce/library_two/files/asb.htm

More evidence of the high level of pedophilia in society:
Freund, K. and Costell, R. (1970). "The structure of erotic preference in the nondeviant male." Behaviour Research & Therapy 8 (1), 15-20.
Quinsey, V. L. et al. (1975). "Penile circumference, skin conductance, and ranking responses of child molesters and 'normals' to sexual and nonsexual visual stimuli." Behavior Therapy. 6, 213-219.
Hall, G. C. N. et al. (1995) "Sexual Arousal and Arousability to Pedophilic Stimuli in a Community Sample of Normal Men" Behavior Therapy. 26, 681-694.

Faint this one is for your last post, evidence that pedophilia is untreatable under current science:
Barbaree, H. E., and Seto, M. C. (1997). Pedophilia: Assessment and Treatment. Sexual Deviance: Theory, Assessment, and Treatment. 175-193.
Quinsey, V. L. (1977). "The assessment and treatment of child molesters: A review." Canadian Psychological Review. 18, 204-220.

 

[Pardus]

Start a thread on that topic and we shall discuss that.

The GF I had back in 98 got raped and murdered. My current wife got raped back in England. But this does not deter from my effort to protect my children, just as I will do what I can to protect my wife.​

So protect them by allowing the authorities the ability to target the predators and not the confused but harmless.

 

[jeffrey]

Fluffy, when I go to a site, looking for info and I stumble onto a pro pedophile site, that states that they have no intention to ever harm a child, that a child has the right to say no, and sex is only ok if the child says it's ok infuriates me. Scares me.

 

[jeffrey]

So protect them by allowing the authorities the ability to target the predators and not the confused but harmless.

Now we are back to what percent claim they are harmless then molest.

 

[Pardus]

If we take away the alienation, why would the pedos bother to seek treatment? How long before they become more vocal about lowering the age of consent?

Because they would not want to become rapists.

If them wanting to lower the age of consent worries you, then why arn't you worried about them doing it already? because they have the ability now.

How about if they go to certain states in the US and get parental permission to marry a 14yo?

You are blinded by hatred, it's like playing chess, unless you think logically, you lose.

 

[jeffrey]

I would like to see tougher laws and a better way to keep track of known child molesters. The numbers that known pedophiles in prison and the number of children they have molested is staggering.

 

[Pardus]

And what you want will just increase their likely to offend.

Your thought pattern must be changed before you can understand, but i'll start you in the right direction, alcohol prohibition.

 

[Flappycat]

Hmm...I think I'll leave our grandkids to be the ultimate judge and jury of it, actually. I'd like to make it clear that I have no completely fixed-in-stone view on this. In one sense, I am very strict: for me to stoutly endorse any sort of reaction to a behavior, I require the basis of it to be firmly rooted in reason and science. I have no room in my outlook for frivolities and foolishness composed and perpetuated by frauds posing as moralists. Ideas deserve not the least bit of loyalty except to the effect of influencing our own actions; those ideas which we should be loyal to are our principles, and the value of our principles is based purely on our uncoerced willingness to practice them in the face of coercion or temptation. In this spirit and in this spirit only, I support whatever measures are necessary to prevent children from coming to harm.

If the next few generations begin to reject the prohibitions against adult-child sexuality and discover that there is no reason at all to counter such behavior, would you be willing to change your views?

 

[Popeyesays]

Because they would not want to become rapists.

If them wanting to lower the age of consent worries you, then why arn't you worried about them doing it already? because they have the ability now.

How about if they go to certain states in the US and get parental permission to marry a 14yo?

You are blinded by hatred, it's like playing chess, unless you think logically, you lose.

Marriage is not molestation, unless it is physically forced and a married individual (under the laws of one state) must be recognized under the law of all states.

I would also point out that two underage individuals cannot be charged with molesting each other, even under statuary rape laws.

If an adult coerces, manipulates, tricks, rapes an underage individual it is a crime of statutory rape. Done habitually it will become obvious the individual is a child molester. Those who use children for pornographic purposes and profit from the business should be executed in my book.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Pardus]

Scott, you don't argue with someone who speaks only cantonese by talking to them in russian.

I'm sure you are intelligent enough to get my drift.

 

[Mike182]

I think pedophiles should be outcasts--we don't want this to become a socially acceptable "condition". I can't imagine hanging-out with a pedophile. It would be like, "hey wanna go to a bar?" "nah, let's go hang-out at a playground instead" or the two of us might be at a mall while I'm checking out the legal babes, he's scoping the prepubescents. That would just be weird. Plus, what would you talk about with someone like that--"hey what's up? Seen any cute children lately?" Seriously. I don't see why we need to try so hard to get these people to fit in. Tolerating their existence is enough (until they cross the line, that is). We shouldn't also be expected to treat them as normal.

:sarcastic your joking, right?

so instead of actually trying to help a problem in society, you just want to get rid of the people it affects? wow, didn't hitler do something similar with the jews?:sarcastic

 

[Pardus]

:sarcastic your joking, right?

so instead of actually trying to help a problem in society, you just want to get rid of the people it affects? wow, didn't hitler do something similar with the jews?:sarcastic

Didn't i mention sadistic troublemakers?

 

[Scuba Pete]

I can't read through all 300+ replies. Sorry if this has been said.

Those who cannot control their pedophillic urges need to be put away for life with no option for parole. I don't ascribe to the death penalty, but if I did then their death would work for me. This is the ONLY thing that I hate worse than bigotry.

 

[Pardus]

I'll sum up alot of the posts for you, mostly my own.

Rape is rape, fantasies are fantasies.

Think all you want, tolerate others thinking all they want, don't make them scared to seek help.

But (assumably) in all out cultures children can't be considered to be able to give consent, so rape is rape.

Hatred helps noone, forgiveness helps the victim to heal and because there's a chance the victim may get urges, don't make them scared to seek help.

I was a victim, got the urges, was scared to seek help, cured myself, but it took me over 15 years and ruined alot of things in my life, don't let more lives go to waste because of hatred.