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Should manditory overtime be illegal?

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Twilight Hue, May 18, 2021.

  1. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    Make it illegal.
     
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    Would have been nice where I was getting it. 55-60 hours week after week in a warehouse is terrible. People start the middle of the week already showing signs of fatigue, Thursday comes and some are getting low energy, and Friday comes and everyone is fatigued and drained.
    That, along with other crap, gives it a very high turnover rate, soaring above the state amd national averages for other warehouses. And I only made $10 an hour. All the overtime bulked my checks up (and unemployment when I got it), but that much of it, all the time, for a job that physically demanding for what is a poverty wage before overtime pay, it's too much and it's crap.
    How crappy? Even some Japanese companies have capped the maximum hours an employee can work in one week to less than what many Americans work.
     
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    Agreed. It should be voluntary. Everyone should have a contract that at least gives them the chance of a decent work/life balance. In the UK it is not totally outlawed, but it is capped at 48hrs/week: Overtime: your rights

    Guess that's "socialism" for you. :D
     
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    Should manditory overtime be illegal?

    Mandatory undertime is where the world is going some of the elite were telling
     
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    Mandatory overtime absolutely sounds like something that should be illegal.
     
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    I think the thing is, not too many other people can do my position, so when overtime season comes I just do it. I work as a forklift operator/material handler in a small company.. Someone else could do it, but they'd do it poorly and suffer more. It would over-tax the press mechanics, one of whom is almost crippled anyway, or my boss, who has had surgery all over his body. Plus I make a lot of money if the overtime thing happens
     
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  9. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    I was flabbergasted when I discovered employers can legally keep a person working indefinitely if they wanted to without repercussion. They only have to pay time and a half and can fire someone who walks off, even if they were worked to the bare bone.
     
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    Me and sleep don't match up so good sometimes, on 3rd shift.. Like yesterday I must have slept like 10 hours, but today it had to be 6.. The last week I probably averaged 6, which made it kinda hard to focus on stuff outside of work. But I do make almost 20 an hour, and even more at overtime.. I think sometimes I sleep better with overtime, because that sort of knocks me into a more regulated sleep pattern
     
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    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    The check is the only thing I like about it. But dang there must be a better way!
     
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    The legal max is 16 hours a day, with the federal labor law guaranteeing only one 30 minute unpaid break if you work at least 8 hours.
     
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    Oh well. That's not your problem if they are incompetent and can't hire people to do the job right.
     
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    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    That's false. There is no existing standard like that. At least in regards to maximum hours.

    Employee Hours & Overtime Labor Laws | OSHA Education Center.
     
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    It depends. In a factory lets say line 2 gives line 3 work. They ask for overtime...line 3 says yes but line 2 says no. Llne 3 won't have any work because line 2 is going home so no one will get any overtime.

    The company should tell up front whether or not they require mandatory overtime or not. If they require it and a person doesn't want that, then they shouldn't work there.
     
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    I would say that's the company's problem. Find volunteers.
     
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    If a company requires overtime and a person says on the application they won't do it, they probably won't hire that person.

    If it requires overtime and a person doesn't want that, then they should seek a job elsewhere offering what they want.

    Some people only make it by working overtime.
     
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    It's fair if it's agreed. But the company still might have trouble with retention.
     
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    I worked for one company with time and a half to 48 hours then double time. It should escalate from there to triple and then quadruple time. If they want me there bad enough, let it cost and cost some more.

    Either that or make it illegal or cap it to 48 hours with double time for the last 8.
     
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    To my mind, that's kind of where the greater debate enters the picture.. Those are two opposing incentives that you describe here.. one would be to get hired, and the other would be to make enough.. it takes it back to this quote by thoreau for example, who for all his flaws, was far closer to the founding of the nation, to both the flaws and the better intended ethos. I myself am in favor of ubi, because it would flatline the incentive question
     
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