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Featured Should I Keep Trying to Understand and Save Christianity?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Brickjectivity, Jan 2, 2018.

  1. Orbit

    Orbit I'm a planet

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    Brick, you might want to check out the Emerging Church movement (google it)
     
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  2. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta and Spiritualist and Pantheist
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    I can certainly find verses that clearly supports an afterlife. I think an overall reading far more supports the afterlife belief.
     
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    yes animals have souls, as do plants. its called the infinite intelligence, or panpsychism.

    this intelligence is not necessarily received/conveyed in all forms by the same method.

    but this information is contained in all things. science gathers information, or intelligence from all things by understanding of the form; especially in simpler life forms.

    https://phys.org/news/2011-03-quantum-no-hiding-theorem-experimentally.html
     
  4. Brickjectivity

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    How about this one: Can any of you by worrying add a single hour to his life? (Matt 6:27) Its rhetorical. We cannot.
     
  5. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta and Spiritualist and Pantheist
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    Translation: Worrying doesn't accomplish anything.

    (good advice actually)
     
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    That is a good point and true, imo. But, Christianity is what following Jesus Christ is called.

    Jesus is the way, truth and life and what has become of the directions for following him isn't the way, true and life.
     
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    It is interesting, but I am not a post modernist. I'm The Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew of Bible Study. I'm Mr. Bible. I'm The Batman of Bible. Ok? I think postmodernism is for smurfy Day of Aquarius peeple.
     
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  8. InChrist

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    I am not sure I understand why you don't believe the scriptural promises of eternal life and hope for a new heaven and earth where the pain and suffering of this world will not exist. Where is the contradiction between caring for others in the here and now while also looking forward to the eternal home God has promised? Both realities are clearly in the Bible.
     
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    It is the way Matthew 28:19 was translated and is being understood.

    People are working their own works and not God's works.
     
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    I was just discussing this with George-ananda. I think that resurrection is a Biblical concept from the prophets and refers to the resurrection of Israel or of a people, nation or movement rather than to the resurrection of individuals. For example consider the prophecy of the bones of Ezekiel 37. In it there is a resurrection but not of individuals, yet the speech is figuratively individual "I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel," yet it is talking about the physical return from Babylon and is not literally about people coming from graves.

    It says "Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them." However, the dead individuals did not rise. There were no zombies that returned with Zerubbabel from Babylon. The dead remained dead. It was Israel which was resurrected.

    Don't get caught up in figures of speech. When you are baptized you become part of Christ.
     
  11. InChrist

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    Okay, thanks for your explanation. I agree there are scriptures in the OT referring to the resurrection of the nation of Israel, which I believe has occurred in our lifetime and will continue as God's promises to the nation are completed. Nevertheless, the NT contains many references to personal eternal life which I don't believe can be spiritualized away or applied to Israel or a movement. Just my thoughts.
     
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    It seems to me that the heart is willing to be dishonest.
     
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    We think we're careful with our choices, but our hearts drive us like bumper cars.
     
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    That's your interpretation
     
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    Curious, how is Brickjectivity denying the Resurrection?

    An immediate afterlife (after death) is not promised in the Scriptures. The Resurrection comes at a later time. See John 5:28-29..."the hour is coming (when they) will hear his voice..."[note future tense]; John 6:44; Acts of the Apostles 24:15...."there is going to be a Resurrection...."; Revelation 20:5, "The rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years were ended."

    Until then, the dead are "aware of nothing" (Ecclesiastes 9:5); 'their thoughts perish' -- Psalms 146:3-4. See also John 11:11-14
     
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    Brickjectivity, regarding the Resurrection, you might enjoy this:

    The Resurrection

    Take care.
     
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    How we act, sometimes, is more important than our teaching.

    A big part of our worship, is how we treat others. It can serve as a witness! -1 Peter 2:12: Titus 2:7-10.

    Keep doing your best, my cousin! Neither Jehovah God nor Jesus are harsh, they focus on the good in us. As long as we try to avoid the bad (even tho we fail at times), our prayers won't be hindered, and we can find the truth that only comes from the "Father", our God. -- Luke 10:21
     
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    Here's a conjecture about what I think happens to us when we die. This is somewhat based on my own personal experience but not so dramatic as near-death experience. People who have near-death experiences talk about a white light. I think what happens when we die, as our brain shuts down and the electrical signals fade, we have a God experience. When we face the light we look into the face of God. We are so enamored and awed by God's infinite beauty all time stops. We are no longer capable of having conscious thoughts, we are at peace, and we experience eternal heavenly bliss. Although it may only last a few seconds, like car-crash time when everything slows down, our experience looking into the face of God lasts an eternity. Experiencing God's infinite beauty is the greatest possible experience anyone can have. It is the absolute height of what a human being can experience as bliss.

    Some people, for whatever reason, turn away from looking to the face of God. Each of us is our own greatest critic. Many people think they are not worthy to look into the face of God. So people turn away from God during this critical moment. When then happens is the brain has a free-form delusion where the conscious self has omnipotent powers. The brain becomes its own reality. Imagination and reality become the same word because the brain is no longer connected to the outside world. At this point, Using omnipotent powers the conscious self works out every guilt, every regret, every short-coming is worked out until the person rids themselves of all their self-loathing. At this point, the person then turns back and looks into the face of God. Except this time the person doesn't look away and experiences eternal heavenly bliss like everyone else. Everyone gets peace. Our omnipotent God neatly collects every soul and spirit back to the source from whence they came.

    Of course, it's just conjecture and I'm sure your Christian dogma is more appealing. Maybe someone could explain to me what eternal heavenly bliss would be like? Is there a reason to walk around and talk to other people in Heaven? Or, are people in Heaven too busy experiencing bliss to think about anything else?

    Death is a lot like sex. None of us invented sex. Sex is just something that is part of what it means to be a human being. What if the same thing is true about death. None us invented death. But more importantly, none of us owns what it means to die. What I mean by this is if you take away your own Ego delusion, everything that you think that is unique to yourself, our brains, our characters, the way we think, the way we love, the way we fear, the way we laugh, is exactly the same in EVERY human being. We did not invent and we do not own what it means to be a human being.

    So in this sense, as long as the human race continues to live and thrive, the very things you hold most dear about who you are as a person, are not going to die with you. When you realize this and accept it, then you realize you do not really die because you are not really alive to begin with. Everyone lives on in everyone else. When your Ego delusion dies and you are born again into a much wider experience of what it means to be a human being.

    Since we are all the same person, then maybe you won't be so selfish next time when it comes to sharing with your fellow human being. Because when you share, you are really giving something back to yourself. And helping other people live enthusiastic lives makes this place a lot more fun to live in.
     
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    Where Brickjevity says "or they will be brought back from death" he denies the resurrection.

    They really believe that their loved ones that have died are safe somewhere up in another dimension or in another place or that they will be brought back from death. This is a huge comfort for many. Taking it away is like taking candy away.
     
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    Yes, unfortunately, many Christians are taught this, but the Scriptures teach otherwise, as posted. In fact, that statement by Jesus at John 5:28-29, mentions that the dead will be resurrected -- from where? -- from their "memorial tombs"!

    Families will be reunited again, but right now, the dead are still in the ground, they are RIP'ing, as they say,. The Resurrection comes later, when the Lord's Prayer is fulfilled, "They Kingdom come, Thy will be done on Earth."
     
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