Should i convert to satanism?

[rickroo]

I have been a christian my whole life and im a leader in my church. Porn is something that i have always been against but recently i started watching it. When i first started watching it i felt very guilty and told myself i wouldnt do it again but i couldnt control myself. Also i would only watch lesbian porn. As a christian i have always thought homosexuality is a sin and have opposed gay marriage. So i felt hypocritical that i deny 2 women the right to get married but then go home and masturbate too 2 women having sex.

I have come to the realization that i have no right to oppose gay marriage because just because i believe something doesnt mean i should push my beliefs on other people. My support of gay marriage led me to question my faith and i have realized that there are a lot of things about christianity that i dont like and its not really something i want to be a part of. Anything one night i prayed to satan asking if he was real and if he wants me and i had a very intense spiritual experience that proved to me that he is real and it more than anything i have ever experience while being a christian.

I am mow kind of conflicted, i want to convert but ALL of my friends and family are christian, not to mention i am a leader in the church. What do you think i should do?

 

[Breathe]

Hi Rick,
First, welcome to RF.

I should start with that I'm not a Satanist, (I don't think we have any active theistic Satanists) but I have a lot of experience with spiritual seeking. I have some questions for you to ponder which I think will be able to help others give you more suitable answers.


Do you feel that you have to oppose homosexuality, and/or gay marriage, or avoid porn to be a Christian? If not, have you considered dropping these? If it's your churches' stance, have you considered other churches (e.g., Anglican, Quaker)?

May I ask how old you are?

How long ago was this experience? (My general view is "follow your heart", but when it comes to something which would be a complete overhaul of your life, I think it is something that should be considered over a while, and not something to which one can just 'jump in'.)

Have you had other experiences since?

Putting aside community (i.e., family, friends, church), what would put you off wanting to become a Satanist, if anything?

Would it affect your belief in God "negatively"?

Do you feel this spiritual experience "negates" following God? That is, it's God OR Satan? For example, Judaism does not believe Satan is an enemy or opponent of God, just an angel.

Do you think it would make you happier? Why?

How do you think your life would be different? Negatives and positives, please.

What is it that draws you to it? How long have you been looking into theistic Satanism?

What is your belief on Satan as an entity?

What is your belief on God as an entity?

 

[Iti oj]

We have a couple of satanist. They will say no, but encurage you to do what is right for you even if that means converting to satanism.


I say become aa satanist and stay as a church leader and do evil things muahahahahahha.

 

[rickroo]

We have a couple of satanist. They will say no, but encurage you to do what is right for you even if that means converting to satanism.


I say become aa satanist and stay as a church leader and do evil things muahahahahahha.

Why do you think they will say no? And yes if i do become satanist i will stay in the church and do satans work.
May i ask what relgion you are?

 

[Erebus]

Hello Rickroo, in addition to Breathe's questions I would ask what you think Satanism is/what it involves and what you think you'll get out of it?

 

[rickroo]

Hello Rickroo, in addition to Breathe's questions I would ask what you think Satanism is/what it involves and what you think you'll get out of it?

Honestly im not 100% sure, im not sure if i follow any particular doctrine satanism, although im only just starting to research and explore the ideas behind satanism. I believe satan is a powerful being/god that we are able to connect with, whether he is the only god i don't know. But the spiritual experiences that i have encountered with him has made me more then sure i want to commit to and follow him. The only thing really holding me back is my family, and my fear of what they will think.

 

[Sand Dancer]

You don't necessarily have to go from one end of the spectrum to the other. Do you believe in God or not? You don't have to be a Christian to believe in God. Study different religions to see which one fits your beliefs. I was a Christian as well, and am looking into more universal religions.

 

[rickroo]

You don't necessarily have to go from one end of the spectrum to the other. Do you believe in God or not? You don't have to be a Christian to believe in God. Study different religions to see which one fits your beliefs. I was a Christian as well, and am looking into more universal religions.

It is more my personal experience that has made me believe in this not research. I have considered myself very spiritual over my life and have constantly tried to connect with 'god' whatever that might be and have recieved nothing. However what i experienced when i connected with 'satan' was very powerful and unlike anything i have experienced before. That is more than enough to make me want to explore/pursue this more

 

[Infinitum]

My honest answer is plainly no. Despite Satanism being called Satanism, it's a completely different belief system than Christianity. I suggest trying to find the Satanic Bible and read it to see if you really have anything in common with the philosophy. Because Christianity is the system you've grown up with, you naturally first go wherever you find the most in common. Give yourself some time, look into other religions and think about what your values are and how you want them to show in your life. Not all religions out there are as condemning as the one you were raised in.

I'm not a Satanist, but I belong under the same umbrella since I'm LHP just in general. I can only speak for my myself and my beliefs, but feel free to PM me if you have some questions.

 

[Poeticus]

My honest answer is plainly no. Despite Satanism being called Satanism, it's a completely different belief system than Christianity. I suggest trying to find the Satanic Bible and read it to see if you really have anything in common with the philosophy. Because Christianity is the system you've grown up with, you naturally first go wherever you find the most in common. Give yourself some time, look into other religions and think about what your values are and how you want them to show in your life. Not all religions out there are as condemning as the one you were raised in.

I'm not a Satanist, but I belong under the same umbrella since I'm LHP just in general. I can only speak for my myself and my beliefs, but feel free to PM me if you have some questions.

Dear brother and other honorable Satanists, forgive me for interrupting. But, how does Satanism (and its various sub-sects) view the Abrahamic concept of "demons"?

 

[Infinitum]

Dear brother and other honorable Satanists, forgive me for interrupting. But, how does Satanism (and its various sub-sects) view the Abrahamic concept of "demons"?

That question is worthy of a completely separate thread. To give my own opinion I know many share, demons are symbols for emotions or ideas and have nothing to do with the Judeo-Christian Devil or with Hell. For other common interpretations, see Daemon (classical mythology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Father Heathen]

God doesn't care if you wank to lesbians. Hope that takes a load off your chest.

 

[Erebus]

Honestly im not 100% sure, im not sure if i follow any particular doctrine satanism, although im only just starting to research and explore the ideas behind satanism. I believe satan is a powerful being/god that we are able to connect with, whether he is the only god i don't know. But the spiritual experiences that i have encountered with him has made me more then sure i want to commit to and follow him. The only thing really holding me back is my family, and my fear of what they will think.

Ok, in that case I would suggest baby steps. Read, research and contemplate before making any decisions, especially as you're talking about coming from one end of the spectrum to the other. Plenty of people become disillusioned with Christianity and look to Satanism as an alternative where perhaps something more middle ground would have better suited them. Remember there's no time limit on this, you take as long as you need to consider what you want to do.

Here's a website for you to browse, I personally think it's an excellent resource for those with an interest in theistic Satanism.

Theistic Satanism: Diane Vera on today's new kinds of Satanists

Dear brother and other honorable Satanists, forgive me for interrupting. But, how does Satanism (and its various sub-sects) view the Abrahamic concept of "demons"?

It really depends who you ask, but generally speaking the Christian* view of demons is viewed with a certain amount of contempt. Whether this is because the Satanist views demons as helpful or non-existent will vary between practitioners. I myself consider the Christian view of demons to be a simplistic caricature of a complex subject.

*I say Christian rather than Abrahamic as Jews and Muslims view demons rather differently and I assume you're talking about the fire and brimstone image of demons here.

 

[Poeticus]

It really depends who you ask, but generally speaking the Christian* view of demons is viewed with a certain amount of contempt. Whether this is because the Satanist views demons as helpful or non-existent will vary between practitioners. I myself consider the Christian view of demons to be a simplistic caricature of a complex subject.

*I say Christian rather than Abrahamic as Jews and Muslims view demons rather differently and I assume you're talking about the fire and brimstone image of demons here.

Namaste, thank you for your answer. Yes, I meant the Christian view. Is it true that a long time ago that the word "demon" stood for someone or any supernatural entity with incredible knowledge until Christianity turned it around?

 

[Breathe]

God doesn't care if you wank to lesbians. Hope that takes a load off your chest.

So then, rickroo...
...carry on?

 

[Erebus]

Namaste, thank you for your answer. Yes, I meant the Christian view. Is it true that a long time ago that the word "demon" stood for someone or any supernatural entity with incredible knowledge until Christianity turned it around?

Sort of, off the top of my head daemon meant something like "intelligent spirit". They were roughly akin to the idea of a muse. Another view is that they were messengers of the gods, ghosts or nature spirits/forces of nature.

Demons and Devils have a long and complicated history and I get bits of it muddled at times. Suffice to say the idea of malevolent spirits is an ancient one indeed, it just so happens that the word demon has become synonymous with evil when perhaps it shouldn't be.

 

[Breathe]

I believe satan is a powerful being/god that we are able to connect with, whether he is the only god i don't know. But the spiritual experiences that i have encountered with him has made me more then sure i want to commit to and follow him. The only thing really holding me back is my family, and my fear of what they will think.

In addition, if Satan is God, then what would you believe regarding, well, God?

For example, have you considered that God and Satan may be synonymous, with "Satan" being the "individualism and impulse" side, and "God" being "community and overcoming obstacles", or something else?

 

[Mindmaster]

Dear brother and other honorable Satanists, forgive me for interrupting. But, how does Satanism (and its various sub-sects) view the Abrahamic concept of "demons"?

Completely off-topic sorry. Post your own thread don't hijack his.

Now to answer the OP. I don't think a Satanist's definition of Satanism is the same as the one that you believe to be true.

I have come to the realization that i have no right to oppose gay marriage because just because i believe something doesnt mean i should push my beliefs on other people. My support of gay marriage led me to question my faith and i have realized that there are a lot of things about christianity that i dont like and its not really something i want to be a part of. Anything one night i prayed to satan asking if he was real and if he wants me and i had a very intense spiritual experience that proved to me that he is real and it more than anything i have ever experience while being a christian.

If by logic your Christian God created homosexuals then judging them wrong is judging said Christian God wrong. Who are you to question such creations? Any authority a religious group would have is derived from the power of its inspirational force right? Again... If God is infallible then who are you, or the church or anyone else really to judge that gods actions? You cannot do so and remain associated with that God, and anyone claiming to act on that gods behalf is certainly involved in shenanigans.

Honestly, you were probably just talking to yourself not Satan but if it makes you feel better to feel someone is listening when you speak feel free. To actually do so would require a level of mental training that the average Christian wouldn't do normally and would be out of scope of possibility for most. When egregorical religious servitors show up on spot crap that usually gets attributed to saints or Jesus would occur. These things all exist, but not in the way that is typically understood. Think of them as wells of energy that have grown sentient through a constant stream of feed thoughts and emotions and you get an idea. They are beings at least in different fashion, but likely the "creator god" or whatever doesn't exist. Examples lay in biology... If there is only one being the only thing it can do to make others is to divide itself. Thus, it is here but nothing we can be aware of remains in original form. The Hebrew Cabalists are pretty certain of this idea so it is nothing new, and the Egyptians have said as much in their cosmology. You will find similar stories everywhere and from every culture if you really look. Gods creating others from their bodies whom created all the other things.. over and over..

Thus, Jesus is a thing, but a thing we created. It now exists, and so does Satan because we have spent lifetimes mentally generating it. I propose though that you really believe in the Christian God and you simply hold yourself to too damn high of a standard. Thus, you are figuring you are doomed or something for not adhering to the dogma you are expected to follow. This is a bit of a scorned lover behavior wherein you have decided to cheat with the other woman (or devil.. lol) because you can't possibly keep up with the silly rules or forgive yourself when you fail... You want your god to pay for something.. and I don't see the point.. You still obviously believe in it.

In total, that is how Christianity is designed -- to rule through guilt. The only way to win is to not play the game. If you are curious about real Satanism read _The Satanic Bible_ but don't take it for rote. Understand that it is one interpretation of the left-hand path, and there are many shades of color to the darkness.

As for the theistic Satanists... There are about ten lurking on here and they know who they are. They all have slightly different approaches, but that's the great thing about us. There are no rules except the ones we make.

 

[Sand Dancer]

However what i experienced when i connected with 'satan' was very powerful and unlike anything i have experienced before. That is more than enough to make me want to explore/pursue this more

How did you do that? How do you know it was Satan?

 

[Iti oj]

Why do you think they will say no? And yes if i do become satanist i will stay in the church and do satans work.
May i ask what relgion you are?

Because they always say no to people who have to ask.