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Featured Should Churches be Allowed to Legally Discriminate Against Hiring LGBTQ Persons?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Wandering Monk, Jan 10, 2021.

  1. Wandering Monk

    Wandering Monk Well-Known Member

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    Not yet, but if people are trying to make a political point, this could be one way.
     
  2. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    Which people, and what point would they be making?
     
  3. Wandering Monk

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    That discrimination works both ways. You reap what you sow.
     
  4. Shadow Wolf

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    May not have any other choice. Especially those living in a rural setting. Gay or not, choices tend to be very limited in such places.
     
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    That's a different issue, I think.
     
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    Sexual orientation, is a religious qualification?
     
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    It heavily relates to the topic at hand.
     
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    Yes to both. If liberal churches only want to hire gay people that's their choice. I don't see a problem.
     
  9. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    I suspect that the people asking questions of the "why would you ever want an unpleasant job?" persuasion:

    - have never worked in the service industry, and
    - have never had to choose between an unpleasant job and eviction.
     
  10. ADigitalArtist

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    Should churches be allowed to discriminate based on the skin color of the person they're hiring? To me the same reasoning applies to the op.
     
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  11. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    Ah.

    I'm not sure that there are any liberal churches whose empires are large enough that people would even see a difference in their job prospects if liberal churches suddenly closed their doors to them.

    Also, it's not the liberal Christians who tend to be jerks to people. I could see a progressive church maybe creating a job program for, say, at-risk LGBTQ youth if they saw a need for that in their community, but basing their employment policies on a desire to screw over Evangelicals and Catholics? That's not really their style.
     
  12. robocop (actually)

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    I think you have to distinguish between church and business, like they tried to with Hobby Lobby.
     
  13. Moses_UK

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    The first question we need to ask is "Is Christianity a religion or are people culturally Christian"? if it's the latter, then it doesn't matter who is hired. if Christianity is a religion then they need to prove its validity.

    How can they prove its validity?

    1. the accuracy of the bible
    2. the lack of contradictions
    3. Proof Jesus was the real author of the bible and introduced the modern doctrines
     
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    Not for me, but it would be for certain churches.

    But I'm with the other Father Heathen ... because no LGBQT in their right mind would want to work for such a group, the question becomes moot.
     
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    Personally, I wouldn't want a secular court ruling on the validity of any religion. Why would you?
     
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    Should Apple have to hire a Microsoft employee? Should the US Army have to hire a
    member of the Chinese Communist Party? Should the NRA have to hire an anti-gun
    lobby member? Should Greenpeace have to hire a spokesman for the oil lobby? Should
    Jehovah Witnesses allow an atheist to join their organization?
    Isn't all this about the right of association?
     
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    No way, if they aren't L.G.B.T.Q.friendly, then I'd consider them to be a hate group, which should then be shut down by the state. Likewise, if they discriminate against straights, then I'd also consider them to be a hate group.
     
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    IF churches want to discriminate THEN they automatically choose to be discriminated in return

    Using the Christian Golden Rule: Do (not) unto others what you do (not) want to be done unto you
     
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    For Christians, the Bible is the word of God and is factual. Based on this belief they have the right because God told them so. If they are wrong which I can prove; their claim against Gays and Lesbians are flawed.
     
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