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Should Bahaism be allowed to be practiced in Iran.

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Link, Jun 23, 2022.

  1. loverofhumanity

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    All people including Palestinians must have human rights and be able to live in peace. God in the Quran wants all to live in peace. There can never be any justification for the oppression of any people.
     
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    When Baha'i'ullah wrote this it could not have been out of hate for others or in hatred of certain groups.

    Be generous in prosperity and thankful in adversity.
    Be worthy of the trust of thy neighbor, and look upon him
    with a bright and friendly face.
    Be a treasure to the poor,
    an admonisher to the rich,
    an answerer of the cry of the needy,
    a preserver of the sanctity of thy pledge.
    Be fair in thy judgment, and guarded in thy speech.
    Be unjust to no man, and show all meekness to all men.
    Be as a lamp unto them that walk in darkness,
    a joy to the sorrowful,
    a sea for the thirsty,
    a haven for the distressed,
    an upholder and defender of the victim of oppression.
    Let integrity and uprightness distinguish all thine acts.
    Be a home for the stranger,
    a balm to the suffering,
    a tower of strength for the fugitive.
    Be eyes to the blind, and a guiding light unto the feet
    of the erring.
    Be an ornament to the countenance of truth,
    a crown to the brow of fi delity,
    a pillar to the temple of righteousness,
    a breath of life to the body of mankind,
    an ensign of the hosts of justice,
    a luminary above the horizon of virtue,
    a dew to the soil of the human heart,
    an ark on the ocean of knowledge,
    a sun in the heaven of bounty,
    a gem on the diadem of wisdom,
    a shining light in the fi rmament of thy generation,
    a fruit on the tree of humility.
    (Baha’u’llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha’u’llah.)
     
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  3. TransmutingSoul

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    I would offer you have misunderstood the discussion.

    A Baha'i is a loyal loving citizen that works and lives for the good of all humanity.

    The Baha'i are not political and will live peacefully with all Muslims and peoples of all Faiths and no faith. They submit to Allah, as Allah does as Allah wills.

    (76:30) But your willing shall be of no avail until Allah Himself so wills. Surely Allah is All-Knowing, Most Wise.

    Regards Tony
     
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  4. loverofhumanity

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    The Baha'i Faith is entirely nonpolitical and we neither take sides in the present tragic dispute going on over the future of the Holy Land and its people nor have we any statement to make or advice to give as to what the nature of the political future of this country should be. Our aim is the establishment of universal peace in this world and our desire to see justice prevail in every domain of human society, including the domain of politics. As many of the adherents of our Faith are of both Jewish and Moslem extraction, we have no prejudice towards either of these groups and are most anxious to reconcile them for their mutual good and for the good of the country."

    https://www.bic.org/statements/letter-united-nations-special-committee-palestine
     
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    You could make the exact same case about islam and most non-muslim countries.
     
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  6. TransmutingSoul

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    Who banished Baha'u'llah to Israel? Therin is the irony, I say that in Love, not hate.

    In the process of the Banishment of Baha’u’llah to Israel, the various stages of that Banishment allowed for many Christian Prophecies to be fulfilled. It is really the most amazing story that the world is yet to consider.

    Regards Tony
     
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  7. TagliatelliMonster

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    Right. So why should western secular countries allow islam?

    KKK is not a religion.
     
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  8. loverofhumanity

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    It’s just a misunderstanding Link. Please be our brother. You have a very strong belief which is very admirable.
     
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    Not all versions, for example, not ISIS or Al-Qaeda versions. The issue is Bahai follow that house of justice thingy. So they have a monolithic approach.
     
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    I say it should be allowed.

    And I would regard all four issues above as four lies.
     
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  11. Link

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    I use to think the same till @InvestigateTruth and @TransmutingSoul manifested that to me.
     
  12. TagliatelliMonster

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    Wait, so we have just your word on this?
    Ok. This is the point where it gets potentially uncomfortable.

    Now I'm going to have to ask you for evidence. Point me to documented events where bahai followers have caused real harm to iran or its citizens, motivated by their religious beliefs.


    I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be an a$$ here, I'm really not...

    But isn't that pretty much what every single islamic theocratic nation does??

    So really you feel like Iran should treat bahai's pretty much like they treat everyone else...

    I'm sorry, but the irony here is just... well, you know..
     
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  13. Link

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    During Shah time or after?
     
  14. TagliatelliMonster

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    Well...
    Islam is not only allowed here, it even receives government funding like any other recognized religious organization.
     
  15. TransmutingSoul

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    Ya Baha'ul Abha. Baha'u'llah promised this day would come.

    Luckily the history was recorded by the Baha'i, and now you have shown me the wisdom of a book called the Dawn Breakers.

    Bahá'í Reference Library - The Dawn-Breakers: Nabíl’s Narrative of the Early Days of the Bahá’í Revelation

    The time of the Bab was indeed great turmoil, but the turmoil was instigated by Islam against the Bab and His followers.

    Out of that bloodbath, where Islam tried to wipe the Babi from the face of the earth, was born the Message of Baha’u’llah where swords were turned to plowshares.

    The turmoil of that time is found in prophecy.

    Regards Tony
     
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  16. TagliatelliMonster

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    No..

    "Already claimed" rather.

    You didn't explain.
     
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  17. TransmutingSoul

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    This is the history.

    Bahá'í Reference Library - The Dawn-Breakers: Nabíl’s Narrative of the Early Days of the Bahá’í Revelation

    It is a long read, but it records all the events that happened in the time of the Bab.

    They were tumultuous times. But I think you can see why they would have been.

    Imagine giving a Message in the middle of fanatical Islam. What else was going to happen?

    There was a time of transition where people who accepted the Bab, were still living under Islam Law of protecting one's own faith. No Babi wanted to fight but no Muslim allowed them to have the new Faith.

    Baha'u'llah brought an end to holy war, and no Bahai's have fought for faith since.

    Regards Tony
     
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    The issue is their religion mixed politics and current events with their interpretation of day of judgment and hadiths, so, it has become itself "Jahr bel soo" (harmful public speech) which Quran says God doesn't allow.

    Sure, Quran talks about freedom of religion, but this understood with limits. If it's a relatively new religion teaching "Jahr bel soo", one command has to precede the other.

    Same reason why US would not allowed ISIS interpretation in Mosques in US or Al-Qaeda.
     
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    I see no Baha'i has ever shown you or any Muslim, any hate Link.

    It was you that wanted the discussion, yet when challenged with another view of the Quran, it is you that has hit out.

    I turn the other cheek and offer peace.

    Peace be with you. Regards Tony
     
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