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Featured Should atheism have the same rights as religion?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by 9-10ths_Penguin, Mar 13, 2019 at 10:49 AM.

  1. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    There have been a few "is atheism a religion?" threads recently. They've had a few people insisting that yes, atheism is a religion.

    This raises a question that I've asked a few times without response:

    Religions, religious ministers, religious adherents, etc., often have special rights, privileges, and benefits. If atheism is a religion, shouldn't atheist groups get the same special treatment that churches receive? Shouldn't individual atheists get the same treatment that religious individuals receive?

    Do you agree that atheism should be protected by religious freedom laws?

    If you think that churches should be tax-free without having to file financial statements, do you agree that atheist organizations should also have this privilege?

    Should donations to atheist organizations get the same tax credits as donations to a church?

    Should "atheist ministers" be entitled to the parsonage allowance that religious ministers receive?
     
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  2. viole

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    I hope not. Atheists in Switzerland pay much less taxes than Cristians. And I hope it stays that way. Therefore, I am not a big fan to make them equal.

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  3. Nakosis

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    Sure, if they want to structure their ideology as a religion. The Christians don't get these additional privileges the church does. If atheists want to organize a church, don't see why it should be treated any differently.
     
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    Yes to all the above, some atheist and humanist groups in Canada have charity status, but for some reason churches don't have to jump through the hoops that charity organizations do.
     
  5. Earthling

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    Hmmm. The thing about rights as I see them is that they should apply to all. The protection by law of life, liberty and property. The thing about democracy is that you start mucking around with that giving specific rights to groups rather than individuals, so, majority rules. That means minorities are infringed upon. It starts breaking down into little pieces until there's nothing left.

    People are idiots and are prone to ideological possession, so they start thinking: "Oh, we need this and we need that!" Which usually means . . . well . . . see above.

    As for taxes, I mean . . . it's a scam.



     
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    Yes to all of the above.

    I think all profits should be taxable with the exception of that which is donated to help those in need.

    Same as above.

    Neither should have that, imo.
     
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  7. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    Sure. I have no objection to certain religious organizations receiving tax breaks and the like... but that should done with non-religious justifications, as charities or other justifications that can be somewhat objective and are open for other people to pursue.

    From a legal standpoint, religion is not supposed to even exist.
     
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    I don’t think so, because atheism is not useful, it has no teaching, it only fights against Christianity and tries to stop people to believe in “love your neighbor as yourself”. By the actions of atheists, it seems to be very evil ideology. Why else it would try to lead people away from loving their neighbor and even enemies?
     
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    One of the reasons why organized churchs don't pay taxes is because doing so would give them a voice in government that would negate the separation of church and state. However, for the question of atheism, I'd say no, it doesn't meet the criteria nor should it want to. Choose. What's better? Not paying taxes along with whatever other perceived benefits being a religious order may bring or having a voice in government.
     
  12. Revoltingest

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    No special privileges for atheists in Ameristan.
    And eliminate them for religions, eg, draft exemption for
    clergy, easier conscious objector status, tax exemptions.
    (Of course, if I get my way, the draft would be totally gone.)
     
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    Why should our rights be determined by our philosophy/theology, at all?
     
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    Too complicated. Just, no special deals for anyone.
     
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    Goodness, I have seen some vicious and ignorant
    bigotry, but that ranks right up there.
     
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  16. ChristineM

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    As an atheist i can assure you that an atheist is far more capable of love for fellow human beings than any religious person. Why? Because they have no imaginary god sitting on their shoulder saying love that one because that one worships me, dont love that one because she is not the same colour/class/creed as you are.
     
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    Anyone who truly understands the word of God, knows that they must love their neighbor in order to love God. You can not do one, and not the other! The ten commandments are divided into those two great commandments, Love God, and Love your neighbor!
     
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    Do you really believe this?
     
  19. ChristineM

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    Your opinion is noted but on experience i must reject it. I am not saying it is relevant for all christians but for most of those i know their love for others is very selective.

    Which version of the 10 commandments? Actually not really pertinent because its only a mix up in numbers but then again there are 613 commandments so which 10?
     
  20. ChristineM

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    I live by it, do you really believe you need a god to be a human being?
     
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