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Shoe is on the other foot: Prove there is not God.

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Archer, Jan 14, 2010.

  1. The Neo Nerd

    The Neo Nerd Well-Known Member

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    At no point did I say you were stupid. I did however give you a choice between stupidity and not being able to admit the flaws in your logic.

    You chose stupid not me.

    Look I know you aren't/can't answer my question. You are of course showing the complete lack of intellectual maturity that you and much of your xtian brethren show repeatedly on this forum.

    I'm just highlighting it for the rest of the participants in this thread.

    You could of course prove me wrong by answering my question but i won't hold my breathe.

    -Q
     
  2. Archer

    Archer Well-Known Member

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    The fault is with your understand of what I have said. Or you do understand? I think you do but want to have a little fun, I do to no problem:)

    But when you say ignorant Bible thumper it is just a tad over the top.

    If you have a claim about the invalidity of my God, or any other historical God, don't invent a God then post it, I will only respond to what I know, Christianity, and some other stuff:)

    To disprove any concept you must understand the concept, God is like a concept, and if you understand you will believe and if you believe you will not want to disprove.
     
  3. Autodidact

    Autodidact Intentionally Blank

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    What on earth is the point of this psalm, Archer? Are you trying to characterize it as a prophecy? Of Jesus? How odd. Where on earth did you get that bizarre interpretation?
     
  4. Smoke

    Smoke Done here.

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    Probably from the Gospel According to Matthew. The Christian practice of taking the Jewish scriptures completely out of context has long roots.
     
  5. Archer

    Archer Well-Known Member

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    Matthew 27:
    45From the sixth hour until the ninth hour darkness came over all the land. 46About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi,c lama sabachthani?”—which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”d


    I have nothing else to say about my last post as it is evident if you know about the crucifixion.

    The Soldiers Mock Jesus
    27Then the governor’s soldiers took Jesus into the Praetorium and gathered the whole company of soldiers around him. 28They stripped him and put a scarlet robe on him, 29and then twisted together a crown of thorns and set it on his head. They put a staff in his right hand and knelt in front of him and mocked him. “Hail, king of the Jews!” they said. 30They spit on him, and took the staff and struck him on the head again and again. 31After they had mocked him, they took off the robe and put his own clothes on him. Then they led him away to crucify him.
    The Crucifixion
    32As they were going out, they met a man from Cyrene, named Simon, and they forced him to carry the cross. 33They came to a place called Golgotha (which means The Place of the Skull). 34There they offered Jesus wine to drink, mixed with gall; but after tasting it, he refused to drink it. 35When they had crucified him, they divided up his clothes by casting lots.b 36And sitting down, they kept watch over him there. 37Above his head they placed the written charge against him: this is jesus, the king of the jews. 38Two robbers were crucified with him, one on his right and one on his left. 39Those who passed by hurled insults at him, shaking their heads 40and saying, “You who are going to destroy the temple and build it in three days, save yourself! Come down from the cross, if you are the Son of God!”
    41In the same way the chief priests, the teachers of the law and the elders mocked him. 42“He saved others,” they said, “but he can’t save himself! He’s the King of Israel! Let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him. 43He trusts in God. Let God rescue him now if he wants him, for he said, ‘I am the Son of God.’” 44In the same way the robbers who were crucified with him also heaped insults on him.
    The Death of Jesus
    45From the sixth hour until the ninth hour darkness came over all the land. 46About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi,c lama sabachthani?”—which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”d
    47When some of those standing there heard this, they said, “He’s calling Elijah.”
    48Immediately one of them ran and got a sponge. He filled it with wine vinegar, put it on a stick, and offered it to Jesus to drink. 49The rest said, “Now leave him alone. Let’s see if Elijah comes to save him.”
    50And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.
    51At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split. 52The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus’ resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.
    54When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, “Surely he was the Sone of God!”
    55Many women were there, watching from a distance. They had followed Jesus from Galilee to care for his needs. 56Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee’s sons.
     
  6. Tristesse

    Tristesse Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure what the point of posting scripture is. Anyone with a bible could just look it up. But first, you have to demonstrate why the bible is reliable and is valid. Bible versus mean nothing if the bible isn't an accurate source of information.
     
  7. Archer

    Archer Well-Known Member

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    It is! As to the scripture, people want to say this and that and not present backup. At this point this thread is in scripture mode.
     
  8. Tristesse

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    Why is it in scripture mode? Are the sources of the scripture accurate? Do you know?
     
  9. Archer

    Archer Well-Known Member

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    Yes it is! It may be worded differently from translation to translation but it is accurate.
     
  10. Tristesse

    Tristesse Well-Known Member

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    No, what I'm saying is, are the scriptures reliable as an accurate source of true information? If you can show that they are, and you'd be the first. Than you might have a case with posting scripture. If not, than it's kind of pointless. No offense.
     
  11. Archer

    Archer Well-Known Member

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    AHHH:) I thought you were going to go with that "you are misinterpreting crap".

    No information can meet that standard if it does not have, a living witness or physical evidence. Even WWII history can be vague. I have no less reason to doubt the Bible than any other historical document.

    That being said I did link the Hebrew text as I am sure if there were any way to refute this it would have alreafy been done.
     
  12. Tristesse

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    Really? so, you believe the qur'an is accurate the vedas etc...? Wow, so, you're not only a christian, but you're a muslim, hindu etc... thats impressive.
     
  13. tumbleweed41

    tumbleweed41 Resident Liberal Hippie

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    The most interesting thing is, according to most theologies, if one god concept is true...all others are wrong.

    If the Muslims are right, then the Christians God does not exist.
    If the Hindus are right, then the Muslim God does not exist.
    If the Jew is right, ........
    and you can go on, and on, and on...

    These religions rely on revealed revelations.
    In each case, the deity expressed the revelation to a select group of people, to be spread to others.
    The God who desires worship. Or commands acknowledgment, and sets forth laws for the people to follow, is restricted in direct communication to a select few, and expects others to suspend rational thought and accept hear-say as a direct communication from God.

    This obvious limitation in communication between an 'omnipotent' deity and its supposed creation creates confusion in translation and interpretation, multiple denominations, multiple religions and sects. And most revealing of all, numerous god concepts in contradiction with each other.

    The illogic of accepting any one 'omnipotent' god concept over another, without any evidence that you have selected to worship the 'correct' version of god is in itself evidence that there is no omnipotent, interventionist, revelatory god. For if there was, it would, by it's own omnipotent power, make itself known to all.
     
  14. Archer

    Archer Well-Known Member

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    I believe those books were written as a way to reach and understand God. I will not comment on this. I know my texts are true, I know if I do not follow my texts I will be in jeopardy. I am not God and I will make no comment on this.
     
  15. Archer

    Archer Well-Known Member

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    He has. That is a great argument by the way.
     
  16. Tristesse

    Tristesse Well-Known Member

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    ok, thats fine. But I thought you were trying to convince other people. So, what reason do I have to believe that these texts are true? I understand that you believe they are true.
     
  17. Autodidact

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    Please stop posting these long scripture passages; it's annoying. If you have an argument to make, make it. That's a very silly interpretation of the psalm; did you dream it up yourself? It doesn't even make sense! Aren't you the anti-interpretation guy? Well you just blew your credibility.
     
  18. Archer

    Archer Well-Known Member

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    Just the opposite, I am showing the futility of telling one there is no reason to believe when ones faith can not be disproved.
     
  19. Autodidact

    Autodidact Intentionally Blank

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    Well that's silly. Some historic documents are contemporaneous, have known authors, are written for nuetral purposes, are corroborated, or have other reasons that lend them credibility. The gospels are written by unknown authors, for obvious propaganda purposes, generations after the events described, and are completely uncorroborated. But apparently it's all the same to you.

    I assume you treat the q'uran the same way? It has comparable indicia of reliability.
     
  20. Archer

    Archer Well-Known Member

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    I was showing parallels. So let me get this straight. It is fine for people that are Anti faith to twist what they want how they want with no backup, but a believer cant simply use scripture for their post as nothing speaks better.
     
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