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Featured Shocking claim to Macro-evolution!

Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by tosca1, May 13, 2019.

  1. exchemist

    exchemist Well-Known Member

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    Of course the science community is silent about his views on this. They are not science: no reproducible observations of nature, no testable theory or hypothesis.

    So there is nothing for the science community to respond to here. Nothing at all.
     
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  2. tosca1

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    Unless you're a scientist along the calibre of James Tour (and that your expertise is what you're talking about)......you don't have any voice of authority at all to give any lectures about the theory of evolution or the origin of life. This is one topic where-in personal opinion definitely doesn't count at all!

    Your personal opinion is irrelevant! I don't care about personal opinion!
    Deal with the issue!

    If you want to refute James Tour's claim - find a scientist (or science source) that directly refutes his claim!

    He wrote an open letter to his colleagues - there's gotta be someone, somewhere who had the balls to refute his claims!

    Google for it! Chop-chop. Get going.
    I couldn't find one - maybe I'm looking at the wrong places. Let's find "Waldo!"




    It's the same in every forums. Will you evolutionists please........stop posturing! Lol!
     
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    What were his questions to his colleagues? Did you even read?
     
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    I have read. Not watched the videos (slow internet). There is nothing there than personal inability to understand how evolution actually works.

    If I do not understand how calculus works, that does make calculus false, does it?

    You are free to ask any one question regarding evolution that you find personally difficult to believe in. I will explain that question as far as I am capable. One specific question only. Let's see if I can clarify it for you.
     
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  5. tosca1

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    Read my post #102.
     
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    I'd be more impressed if you would address the points I make, rather than trying to rubbish my authority to make them.

    However, if you want to talk about authority, it doesn't matter a damn how good a chemist this guy may be. He is not an authority on either evolution or abiogenesis. He has done zero research in either field, in his entire career. So he's basically just offering a non-specialist opinion - with no science to back it up.

    As for "refuting" Tour's claim, what is it? Does he actually make a refutable claim? Can you summarise what it is? If you can, I will try to comment on it.
     
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    I have the expertise. I am a scientist in the field of thermodynamics and chemical reactions. I have a PhD and two post-docs. While I primarily work in organic biosynthesis and combustion, my training is sufficient for me to explain the fundamentals of evolutionary biology.

    And I am a Hindu monist.
     
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  8. exchemist

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    By the way, why not use a bigger variety of colours and font sizes? I'm sure that would add persuasiveness and stature to your arguments. :D
     
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  9. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Ok perhaps i should have been more specific, how about "another book" rather than "a book"?

    Silent? about evolution? Evolution is beyond doubt. But of course science is silent about irrelevant bullpoop. If Tour thinks it worthy of study then he should produce a scientific paper (not a letter) and offer it for peer review. As yet i see no attempt to engage science in his claim.

    If his (future) paper is worthy of science then it will be reviewed, tested and checked. If not then it will be rejected and he can modify his hypothesis and try again. That is how science works.
     
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  10. tosca1

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    There's only one glaring unmistakeable ignorance that shines forth from your post.

    Folks, careful with your knee-jerk reactions.

    I know James Tour's claim must be like a bombshell that just exploded - hence I call it "shocking."

    I understand it'll be shocking to a lot of evolutionists.
     
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    There was nothing of note there.
     
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    You posted a video by someone who you accepted as an authority since he agreed with your superstitious beliefs. He is not an authority in the subject that he was discussing. Not only that the video that I linked showed how he was either lying or an idiot. Meanwhile you cannot even address specific claims by Tour that supports his belief. Perhaps you know from experience that if you make specific claims that they will be refuted.
     
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    I understand where you're coming from.....but, all that is irrelevant in this issue.
     
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    Okay....can you please post that so-called refutation to his claim?


    What did he apologise for EXACTLY? His scientific claim?


    Here is what I found about it:

    http://www.jmtour.com/wp-content/uploads/John-West-on-Szostak-Article.pdf

    Using the the term, "liar." That's what he was apologising for.
     
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    He lied several times about the work of Szostak.


    Watch the video and we can discus it.
     
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    Well, ladida!

    Szostack RETRACTED! I don't know if this was exactly what James Tour called him out for, but here it is.....


    Nobel Winner Retracts Own Paper in 'Definitely Embarrassing' Fail | Inverse

     
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    I'm running behind - answering what were posted yesterday - so many responses.

    Read what I just posted. Szostack retracted!

    #116.

    Some people are now trying to smear James Tour. here are allegations of his so-called lying - which are debunked.


    https://evolutionnews.org/2019/05/professor-james-tour-a-liar-for-jesus/
     
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    Who sez that? Who made that claim?
     
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    That does not help you. Unlike creationists Szostak was honest when he made a mistake. Please note that he publishes several papers a year on this topic. He made a mistake in one of them and acknowledged it. The problem is that the fools that you rely on never own up to their mistakes.
     
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    Yes, that was merely you grasping at straws and demonstrating an ignorance of science.

    You relied on a lying source. At least Szostak made an honest mistake and owned up to it. That was a good thing. When you post Tour's retraction then you might be able to claim some legitimacy of what is left of his video. Until he does that the whole thing is garbage.
     
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