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Featured Shocking claim to Macro-evolution!

Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by tosca1, May 13, 2019.

  1. tosca1

    tosca1 Member

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    Excerpts from a very long, eye-opener of an article by James Tour.

    https://www.jmtour.com/personal-topics/evolution-creation/

    That's the claim made by one of the leading chemist in the world - James Tour.


    Before we go any further, a little background on James Tour.

    James Tour - Wikipedia








     
  2. tosca1

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    James Tour wasn't content with that blog. He also penned an open letter to his colleagues. Here's an excerpt from it:



    An Open Letter to My Colleagues – James Tour – Inference
     
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  4. tosca1

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    You might say that I'm fascinated by James Tour! He's actually taking on the science community (evolutionists), and challenging them!


    Discovery Science, Mar 2019

    Origin of life at timer - 8:26







    https://evolutionnews.org/2019/04/c...me-the-chemistry-of-abiogensis-its-not-there/
     
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    Yes, I don't know what Tour is playing at here. Saying that the chemistry of abiogenesis is not worked out is a statement of the obvious that nobody would disagree with.

    Equally, as he must know full well, this has nothing whatsoever to do with evolution.

    The theory of evolution does not rely on any assumptions about chemistry!
     
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    ImmortalFlame Well-Known Member

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    And why should we care about the personal opinion of a nanotechnologist and chemist against the overwhelming scientific consensus and evidence?

    And where's the connection between his claims about abiogenesis and evolution?
     
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  7. tosca1

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    Lol. It's not a personal opinion! It's science.

    Do you know what "abiogenesis" is? Why do you ask?
    Where's the connection? don't you get it?
    You gotta have an origin for the rest of the chain!:)
     
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    Brickjectivity Suffrin' Succotash
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    Oh noes they asked him to read something.

    ...in order to avoid reading something.
     
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  9. tosca1

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    how could there be any evolution without the origin?
     
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    What a poor contribution to the debate this is.

    All he says is that synthetic chemists like him would not be able to construct the building blocks of life in the lab. I think we knew that. But he makes no coherent case for why something he can't do in his lab, in one human lifetime, is something that nature could not do, given a few hundred million years. It is simply the good old Argument from Personal Incredulity.

    Even the fact that a synthetic chemist (who is also a Messianic Jew with a religious axe to grind) does not understand how it could have happened does not mean that must be impossible.
     
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    Lol. Think again.

    That kind of responses from evolutionists....is what makes evolutionists look so pathetic!

    You can't come up with any rational argument, can you?
     
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    "Posturing," doesn't work, folks. Your responses are dead give-aways.
     
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    Whenever someone talk about anything outside his or her fields of expertise, then it is matter of personal opinions, not science.

    And while nanotechnology have both science and engineering working together, it is still more engineering than science.

    In fact all of computer science, is most engineering, whether it be hardware or software oriented.

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    ps

    Before you go and all-high-and-mighty, and say “That’s kind of response of an evolutionist”, I would tell you point-blank that I am not a biologist. I am speaking from experiences as an engineer, with a backgrounds in civil engineering and in computer science.

    And as to Tour. He isn’t quantify to speak of biological evolution, so anything he has to say, are opinions. He may be a qualified as a chemist, but not all chemist are expert in the areas of biochemistry, especially in the areas of Abiogenesis. If he isn’t a biochemist, then he is merely expressing his opinions.
     
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  14. tosca1

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    Read it again. You missed something.
     
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    He is a chemist, you know. He is among the top 10 chemists in the world!

    You didn't know that he's a chemist?
    So....you haven't even read the intro? Lol.
    In other words, you know squat!
    Therefore, I have legitimate reason to ignore you.


    Bye.
     
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    Nobody would be so stupid as to say that, because we don't yet understand the detail of how life started, life never started. Would they?

    Evolution is the theory of how, once there is a mechanism for reproducing with inheritance, later species evolved from earlier ones.
     
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    What?
     
  18. tosca1

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    Was he saying that?

    It has to start somewhere, right?


    Like, that!
     
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    Audie Well-Known Member

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    Seriously? He is playing you, or anyone who
    will respond.

    Typical of people who dont know a darn thing
    except how to cut n paste s gish from creosites,
    no grasp of any subject matter.

    It is nice to have a little quality around here.
    Gish-enabling aint it.
     
  20. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Libertarian Capitalist Atheist Bokononist
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    The excerpts don't actually provide any argument against evolution or abiogenesis.
    But he sounds highly qualified in some other field.
    Ref....
    James Tour - Wikipedia
    A Scientific Dissent From Darwinism[edit]
    Further information: A Scientific Dissent From Darwinism
    In February 2006, The New York Times reported[37] that Tour was one of a small number of nationally prominent researchers among five hundred scientists and engineers whose names appear on Discovery Institute's controversial petition, "A Scientific Dissent From Darwinism", which states "We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged."[45] The two-sentence statement has been widely used by its sponsor, the Discovery Institute, and some of their supporters in a national campaign to discredit evolution and to promote intelligent design.

    The New York Times article described Tour as saying that the explanations offered by evolution are incomplete, and he found it hard to believe that nature can produce the machinery of cells through random processes. Despite this, he said he remained open-minded about evolution. He was quoted as saying "I respect that work" and being open to the possibility that future research will complete the explanations.[37]
     
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