Shiva is the name of the 666 in Revelations, is Shiva Satan?

[proudpagan]

As per the monotheistic sect , the Prajapati Brahmakumaris, Shiva is seen as a point of light , the same as Jehovah or Allah or Ahura Mazda.

Brahmakumaris are no patent holders of Shiva or Vedic Dharma . Its one of many retarded brigades located here in Republic of India.

Now my rebuttal -
Every religion, every culture on this planet has always been talking about the omnipresent, all-pervading nature of the divine. If we look at it, the only thing that can be truly all-pervading, the only thing that can be everywhere is darkness. Generally, when people are seeking well-being, we talk of the divine as light. When people are no longer seeking well-being, when they are looking beyond their life in terms of dissolving, if the object of their worship and their sadhana is dissolution, then we always refer to the divine as darkness.

Light is a brief happening in your mind. Light is not eternal, it is always a limited possibility because it happens and it ends. The greatest source of light that we know on this planet is the sun. Even the sun’s light, you could stop it with your hand and leave a shadow of darkness behind.

But darkness is all-enveloping, everywhere. The immature minds in the world have always described darkness as the devil. But when you describe the divine as all-pervading, you are obviously referring to the divine as darkness, because only darkness is all-pervading. It is everywhere. It does not need any support from anything. Light always comes from a source that is burning itself out. It has a beginning and an end. It is always from a limited source. Darkness has no source. It is a source unto itself. It is all-pervading, everywhere, omnipresent. So when we say Shiva, it is this vast emptiness of existence. It is in the lap of this vast emptiness that all creation has happened. It is that lap of emptiness that we refer to as the Shiva. Satan and Shiva both are associated with darkness .

Ravan is seen in the role of Satan in this sect , who increases negativity within the individual through lust, anger, greed, ego and attachment.

> As seen

Here is a picture of Shiva as per the Prajapita Brahmakumaris.

> Topkek

 

[proudpagan]

game of misinformation and misappropriation
under the guise of Neo-Nazism.

Neo nazis are stupit alt right stuff . As for the misinformation part we can talk about Treaty of Versailles , battle of Dunkirk, etc ?

 

[proudpagan]

This is also shown in the bible in Revelation, the number of the beast, the beast is another name of the serpent agathodaemon, the symbol of the soul, the serpentine system, in the ancient world. The number of which is 666.

Actually 666 is the Kabbalistic square of the Sun. 666 is the all-important solar chakra. The true meaning of the "Temple of Solomon" is the TEMPLE OF THE SUN. "Sol" "Om" and "On" are all words for the Sun. "Sol" is the Latin word for the Sun and is close to the English word "soul." "Om" is a name given by the Hindus to the Spiritual Sun and "On" is an Egyptian word for Sun. The symbolism of the Temple of Solomon was stolen by the Jews and made into a nazarene as nearly everything in the Judeo/Christian Bible.

 

[ajay0]

Brahmakumaris are no patent holders of Shiva or Vedic Dharma . Its one of many retarded brigades located here in Republic of India.

I have met many brahmakumaris, including Tabu in this forum, and did not find them to be retarded. In fact I found them to be warm, compassionate and intelligent people.

The brahmakumaris is the only religious sect in this world solely lead by women as teachers, leaders and administrators. How many religious sects can claim a qualification like that in this male-dominated world with the likes of Trump or Weinstein !

Every religion, every culture on this planet has always been talking about the omnipresent, all-pervading nature of the divine. If we look at it, the only thing that can be truly all-pervading, the only thing that can be everywhere is darkness. Generally, when people are seeking well-being, we talk of the divine as light. When people are no longer seeking well-being, when they are looking beyond their life in terms of dissolving, if the object of their worship and their sadhana is dissolution, then we always refer to the divine as darkness.

These are all mental projections and conceptualisations of a conditioned mind.

Just as theists see light everywhere, pagans like you seem to see darkness everywhere. Ufologists see ufo's everywhere.

There is an infinity of concepts or conceptualisations and one can get stuck in these all one's life, missing life or reality as it is.

This is why Dzogchen says, " Awareness is the great non-conceptual perfection."

And why Shiva as per the Prajapita Brahmakumaris states thus, " Awareness is strength."

Light is a brief happening in your mind. Light is not eternal, it is always a limited possibility because it happens and it ends. The greatest source of light that we know on this planet is the sun. Even the sun’s light, you could stop it with your hand and leave a shadow of darkness behind.

Well, I hate driving with no lights on.

But darkness is all-enveloping, everywhere. The immature minds in the world have always described darkness as the devil. But when you describe the divine as all-pervading, you are obviously referring to the divine as darkness, because only darkness is all-pervading. It is everywhere. It does not need any support from anything. Light always comes from a source that is burning itself out. It has a beginning and an end. It is always from a limited source. Darkness has no source. It is a source unto itself. It is all-pervading, everywhere, omnipresent. So when we say Shiva, it is this vast emptiness of existence. It is in the lap of this vast emptiness that all creation has happened. It is that lap of emptiness that we refer to as the Shiva. Satan and Shiva both are associated with darkness .

The darkness mentioned here is nothing but kidstuff and concepts. The darkness of nonconceptual awareness is more darker, mysterious and scarier than all the horror films and novels, graveyards, haunted houses, nightmares, and scary criminals of the world put together. This is why the pagans avoid it and stick to concepts for reassurance.

 

[proudpagan]

The brahmakumaris is the only religious sect in this world solely lead by women as teachers, leaders and administrators.

> Religious sect . Do they hate males or what oh yeah They have been accused of breaking up marriages.Feminist commentator Prem Chowdry has criticised the practice of celibacy within the organisation as being a form of patriarchal controversy. (Smith, Dr Wendy A. (Autumn 2007). "Asian New Religious Movements as global cultural systems". International Institute for Asian Studies. 45: 16–17. Conversion involves members changing their daily lifestyles and even leaving long term relationships.... Married converts have often had to forgo their marriage partnerships.)

I have met many brahmakumaris, including Tabu in this forum, and did not find them to be retarded. In fact I found them to be warm, compassionate and intelligent people.

I mean the organisation is built on Topkek foundation .

These are all mental projections and conceptualisations of a conditioned mind.

> Define source of emotions . And yes elaborate more on this fam .

Shiva as per the Prajapita Brahmakumaris

Brahmkumari is a SCAM . They dont know a **** about hindu gods . BK Jagmohan Garg, Brahma Kumaris follower and one of their “business experts”, is named as owner of the Brahma Kumaris Om Shanti Studio and founder of the BKs’ ‘Peace of Mind channel’. He has been implicated in massive NSEL fraud called the “NSEL crisis” which was splashed all over media internationally last year.

The NSEL was the “National Spot Exchange” of India and the scam worth an estimated Rs. 5600 crore or nearly US$1 billion. It came to light after the NSEL failed to pay its investors. It was discovered that most of the underlying commodities did not exist, and the buying and the selling of commodities like steel, paddy, sugar, ferrochrome was being conducted only on paper. In short, a sort of Ponzi scheme

A special anti-money laundering court in Dehli froze Rs 126 crore (approx USD $19,782,000) assets of Garg’s ‘Mohan India Group’ and held that BK Jagmohan Garg of Mohan India deceived investors into putting money in NSEL sugar showing bogus warehouses and warehouse receipts. Mohan India is said to be one of the large defaulters in the scam, with an initial liability of Rs 950 crore (approx USD $152,000,000). Bribes were paid to trash income tax and other government officials to evade taxes and the money allegedly came from the defaulting Delhi-based company.

NOW an organization with such a supercool history is quite authentic source of defining the characteristics of Shiva Lmao

 

[proudpagan]

The darkness mentioned here is nothing but kidstuff and concepts.

Drop Citation

 

[ajay0]

Religious sect . Do they hate males or what oh yeah

Does the male-dominated religious organizations of the world hate females or what oh yeah.

They have been accused of breaking up marriages.

There are all kinds of accusations levelled against them from the beginning itself from narrow minded people with fragile egos who couldn't digest women rising to the level of teachers and leaders in a primitive male dominated Indian society with bride burnings, dowry issues, child marriage and women lacking financial independence.

But still the brahmakumaris have gone from strength to strength with branches in all corners of the world at present.

Feminist commentator Prem Chowdry has criticised the practice of celibacy within the organisation as being a form of patriarchal controversy. (Smith, Dr Wendy A. (Autumn 2007). "Asian New Religious Movements as global cultural systems". International Institute for Asian Studies. 45: 16–17. Conversion involves members changing their daily lifestyles and even leaving long term relationships.... Married converts have often had to forgo their marriage partnerships.)

There is no compulsion in all of this. People can practice celibacy if they want or leave it.

Even Hindu/buddhist/jain monks and nuns and sannyasis practice celibacy in many religious organisations.

Don't see Prem Chowdry arguing against that. Maybe women dominated organisations like brahmakumaris are easy targets for insecure males.

I mean the organisation is built on Topkek foundation .

Topkek is a brand of small Turkish cupcakes produced by the ETi Company , as per the net.

I assure you, the turkish cupcakes have nothing to do with all this.

Brahmkumari is a SCAM . They dont know a **** about hindu gods . BK Jagmohan Garg, Brahma Kumaris follower and one of their “business experts”, is named as owner of the Brahma Kumaris Om Shanti Studio and founder of the BKs’ ‘Peace of Mind channel’. He has been implicated in massive NSEL fraud called the “NSEL crisis” which was splashed all over media internationally last year.

The NSEL was the “National Spot Exchange” of India and the scam worth an estimated Rs. 5600 crore or nearly US$1 billion. It came to light after the NSEL failed to pay its investors. It was discovered that most of the underlying commodities did not exist, and the buying and the selling of commodities like steel, paddy, sugar, ferrochrome was being conducted only on paper. In short, a sort of Ponzi scheme

A special anti-money laundering court in Dehli froze Rs 126 crore (approx USD $19,782,000) assets of Garg’s ‘Mohan India Group’ and held that BK Jagmohan Garg of Mohan India deceived investors into putting money in NSEL sugar showing bogus warehouses and warehouse receipts. Mohan India is said to be one of the large defaulters in the scam, with an initial liability of Rs 950 crore (approx USD $152,000,000). Bribes were paid to trash income tax and other government officials to evade taxes and the money allegedly came from the defaulting Delhi-based company.

NOW an organization with such a supercool history is quite authentic source of defining the characteristics of Shiva Lmao

These are allegations put by some in the net. Even the bjp leader amit shah is facing serious allegations that his son has shady dealings in the newspapers.

Also the brahmakumaris have millions of followers all over the world today. Their focus is on imparting spiritual teachings and meditation, and not business interests. I was never charged for attending their meditation sessions when I paid a visit to their ashram and got free food and books as well.

If one of the perceived followers is indeed a crook , it only meant that he or she had not imbibed the spiritual teachings taught by them properly. The problem is with the student, not the teaching.

This has happened elsewhere as well. Judas betrayed his teacher Jesus for some silver coins, disregarding his teachings of love. Hindu temples are looted by their own administrators and treasurers due to corruption issues, lack of integrity and accountability , which have been reported as well.

 

[proudpagan]

These are allegations put by some in the net. Even the bjp leader amit shah is facing serious allegations that his son has shady dealings in the newspapers.

Lmao dude there are not just allegations but you didnt read my post entierly .

A special anti-money laundering court in Dehli froze Rs 126 crore (approx USD $19,782,000) assets of Garg’s ‘Mohan India Group’ and held that BK Jagmohan Garg of Mohan India deceived investors into putting money in NSEL sugar showing bogus warehouses and warehouse receipts. Mohan India is said to be one of the large defaulters in the scam, with an initial liability of Rs 950 crore (approx USD $152,000,000). Bribes were paid to trash income tax and other government officials to evade taxes and the money allegedly came from the defaulting Delhi-based company.

 

[proudpagan]

yeah

yes thats right because brahmkujmari ask you to leave husbands . In the Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion, Howell reported that the Brahma Kumaris protected itself from the practice of families "dumping" their daughters with the organisation by requiring a payment from the families of those wishing to dedicate their daughters to the work and services of the organisation. The payment is intended to cover the living expenses incurred during the trial period.

Checkout these cases -

Smith, Dr Wendy A. (Autumn 2007). "Asian New Religious Movements as global cultural systems". International Institute for Asian Studies. 45: 16–17. Conversion involves members changing their daily lifestyles and even leaving long term relationships.... Married converts have often had to forgo their marriage partnerships.

Kościańska, Agnieszka Z (15–17 May 2003). "On celibate marriages: the Polish Catholics' encounter with Hindu spirituality". On the Margins of Religion, Institute of Ethnology and Cultural Anthropology, Warsaw University

 

[Jainarayan]

Greek has no "V" sound or letter.

It does. Modern Greek has a 'v' sound as well as a letter. Modern Greek has sort of a 'b' sound but it is not beta. Both Ββ Beta and Υυ Upsilon are pronounced 'v'. See μολὼν λαβέ, molṑn labé ("come take", said by Leonidas to Xerxes) pronounced lavé and μῑνώταυρος, minotavros (minotaur).

 

[Jainarayan]

Chiva is the ancient name of the serpent God associated with the moon in the Near East, which is originally male, this was also spelled as Sheba the B and V are double letters so one can be exchanged for the other. Sheba becomes Shiva further east were this knowledge came from. Shiva is still called Lord Chandra, the Moon God. The Chiva is also called The Breath of Life. The prana energy of the soul and all creation which is shown as the serpent in Hinduism. The Chi is Shi.

Who comes up with this nonsense? This is all so wrong it's wronger than wrong. There is no word to describe the wrongness of this wrongness. It's like the Tao, it cannot be described. The name Shiva is actually not a name, it is a Sanskrit adjective that means 'auspicious'.

 

[DavidFirth]

Who or what is a Shiva?

 

[Jainarayan]

Satan and Shiva is one and the same, the first born male (Yang) also named Krishna, Thor etc. All the same god, he is everything and he is nothing, cosmos most powerful arch angel and the only soul who can exist in all 17 spaces (dimensions) do not confuse Satan or Shiva with the devil, the devil is a virus in cosmos matrix, though Satan did get infected with this Yin energy and here by became the first fallen angel, he might have had the devil in his soul, his DNA but he is not the devil, nor is Satan Lucifer, Lucifer were the 2nd fallen angel, out of a total 204.

Shiva/Satan/Thor etc. Is the connecting soul, which through, all energy flow, he holds together all 39 now existing universes, he is the demon slayer, the virus scanner, he is the one who keep cosmos Yin and Yang in balance in order and he has now yet again found his own balance, healed his own soul and restored his DNA.

Shiva/Satan/Thor has returned, the devil has been eliminated from cosmos matrix, a 17th dimensional Organic super computer, all functioning in the simplest alcabra 1&0s 64 bit Iching 64 signs.

That's the great awakening, humans can now escape the 3rd space, the Red space, the Devils matrix.

All human souls will eventually reach the 8th space, the Buddha and Saint space, half Way to 16th. Only angels will rise above 8th.

Paging Grace Slick!!!

 

[Jainarayan]

Ive even heard that some believe that Jesus is Krishna.

Meh, nothing is impossible.



BG 4.8: To protect the righteous, to annihilate the wicked, and to reestablish the principles of dharma I appear on this earth, age after age.

 

[sayak83]

Who or what is a Shiva?

One of the main forms of personal High God in Hinduism.

 

[DavidFirth]

One of the main forms of personal High God in Hinduism.

Oh, okay, thanks.

 

[ajay0]

Lmao dude there are not just allegations but you didnt read my post entierly .

A special anti-money laundering court in Dehli froze Rs 126 crore (approx USD $19,782,000) assets of Garg’s ‘Mohan India Group’ and held that BK Jagmohan Garg of Mohan India deceived investors into putting money in NSEL sugar showing bogus warehouses and warehouse receipts. Mohan India is said to be one of the large defaulters in the scam, with an initial liability of Rs 950 crore (approx USD $152,000,000). Bribes were paid to trash income tax and other government officials to evade taxes and the money allegedly came from the defaulting Delhi-based company.

I have already mentioned that there are millions of bk's around the world, and the activities of some householder disciples does not tarnish the teachings which uphold honesty and integrity. The bk's are into teaching meditation, not business activities.

P.V. Sindhu, India's highest medal winner at the rio olympics, is a practicioner of brahmakumari meditation, and spend time at the ashram for hours before departing for the games as she stated later in an interview in TOI.

 

[ajay0]

yes thats right because brahmkujmari ask you to leave husbands .

News flash. Tabu in this forum is a married woman herself with husband and children for many years, and has not left her husband or family.

And so do my friend's mom's who regularly practices meditation and takes care of household as well.

The popular Shivani Behan of the brahmakumaris also lives with her husband.

In the Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion, Howell reported that the Brahma Kumaris protected itself from the practice of families "dumping" their daughters with the organisation by requiring a payment from the families of those wishing to dedicate their daughters to the work and services of the organisation. The payment is intended to cover the living expenses incurred during the trial period.

Many Indian families, eager to get rid of the dowry burden during marriage, try to give their daughters as nuns to the brahmakumaris without any religious inclination. It is for this reason that the brahmakumaris insisted on payment during the probation trial to check whether they are fit enough for the duties in the organisation and have the right temperament for it.

This actually reflects the state of the prejudiced Indian society than the brahmkumaris which is the only spiritual organisation in India and the world with women as teachers, leaders and administrators.

 

[crossfire]

Paging Grace Slick!!!

I'll see your White Rabbit and raise you a Walrus!

 

[Jainarayan]

I'll see your White Rabbit and raise you a Walrus!

The good 'ol days of psychedelic music! Where'd they go!?

Even if you didn't physically drop acid you'd get a contact trip.