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Sexism

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by tumble_weed, Jul 27, 2004.

  1. tumble_weed

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    Hmmm yeah anyway....this was brought up on another topic, so instead of going off topic I'm making my own topic on it...anyway recently we have had an ad campaign...about abuse against women...the thing is that's all well and good...but I think they have missed the point, the whole campaign is about women not being treated fairly. But what about men who are abused...does it not matter, is it irrelevant...or are men evil and are the ones who do all the abusing. The whole campaign does it's best to emphasise how men abuse women...

    However recently I've also noticed something else...recently...in the news I have realalised that when a female person does something...they say a female _______ did something...and make a point of it that the subject of the news story is a female...but they never do that when the subject of the story is a male....

    well that's my rambling for now...
     
  2. Mathematician

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    Sexism is taken way out of context these days. Just like racism only it's on a slightly different path. I recently had a visitor to my school come in about sexually harrasment and sexism. For about 85% of the time, she kept talking about how women were being misused and that males have "molded" the view of women.

    First off, women are the ones "bending" over to the male perspective. It is THEIR decision and we not forcing anything on to them. Also she showed more sexism than I had ever seen from a male before in my life. It was if she was saying that females were secretly that hidden sex and that they needed to "rise up and stomp down males"(her exact quote).

    She also went on about how after she had sex when she was 14, she thought the male had forced her AFTERWARDS and called it rape. First off, she didn't say no. Yet somehow the male was thrown in juvy for having sex? Sexism is on the opposite end of the society, today.
     
  3. Rex

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    A small statistic:

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    women experienced 572,032 violent victimizations , compared to 48,983 incidents committed against men
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    This says one of two things. Either females are more likely to get abused, or males don't report as many. Take it how you want. But the ad campaign are taking it the first way and they are targeting the mass of the auidience.
     
  4. Mathematician

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    I'd say a majority of men don't report there problems. Especially sexually crimes. If a male was to report being raped, he'd be laughed in court.
     
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    Well if men do not report their problems then you can't blame everyone else for not seeing it.

    And if a male was to report being raped he would not be laughed at in court. The court is blind to race/religion/sex , atleast it is suppose to be.
     
  6. Mathematician

    Mathematician Reason, and reason again

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    Suppose to, exactly. What about his friends though? No doubt he would be victim to homosexual comments(behind his back even) since it's been imprinted in our skulls, "Guys love sex". That's not true. There's been times I've had sex and half way through I was close to saying "stop"

    If a women reports being raped, however, her friends and family would take it strong and feel sorry for her. If it was male, that saying "All guys care about is sex" would be used and people would question his sexual preferences.
     
  7. Runt

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    I don't think that would be true. I think if a male was raped, people would feel just as much empathy for him as they would for a woman, because even though the idea in people's minds is that "males enjoy sex", the concept of homosexual rape is in some ways just as horrifying as the concept of a male raping a female because it causes such severe emotional trauma-- a female raped by a male is reminded that she is a "mere female" and that she is "so much weaker" than a man. A male raped by a male is robbed of that which makes him a man-- his feeling of strength and power. He is basically reduced to the position of a "weak female" in such a trauma, and I think most people would understand, at least subconsciously, what that does to him.
     
  8. Mathematician

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    Actually I meant a female raping a male.
     
  9. Runt

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    If a female raped a male, why would people call him homosexual? I don't think they would... I think they would perhaps make fun of him for being physically weaker than a woman, butI'm not even sure about that. A woman who can rape a male would have to have the strength to actually FORCE him. I'm known quite a few guys who are shorter and seemingly smaller in stature than me who have been able to wield WAY superior strength over me, so a woman who could demonstrate enough physical strength to RAPE a male would have to be pretty massive and strong. I think if the victim's family and friends (and if it was on the news, the public) would not only NOT make fun of him if they were able to see what kind of woman raped him, but I think SHE would become the butt of a bunch of homosexual jokes (which doesn't make sense, since she raped a MAN... but massive physical strength means people will probably think she is more "man-like" than "woman-like", and so despite not making sense, I think it would happen).
     
  10. Mathematician

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    You can be verbally raped. If a guy/girl says "no"/"stop" or motions to stop and the partner continues it's considered rape. That's how most women rape cases go, actually.
     
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    Rape is not about sex, it's about power, and women can wield that power just like men. For example, a high placed female manager could coerce someone under her to have some form of sexual relations with her in order to keep the job. That is rape, whether the 'someone' is male or female.

    The main difference between men and women is, as has been said above, most men are too embarrassed to publicize their story, hence the low stats.
     
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    Verbally raped? What, some woman telling him "I am undressing you with my eyes. I am raping you"?

    A guy is physically stronger than a woman. If he didn't want sex, the situation should NEVER have been able to progress to the sexual act. A man has the strength to force the entire sexual act-- making out, undressing the woman, and actually raping her. A woman, on the other hand, could not take the situation all the way to the sexual act if her male partner did not want it; he has the strength to stop her at any time (first base or onward) and remove himself from that situation.

    Rape is about forcing someone to have sex with you against their will. Please explain how a woman could do this. If he did not want to have sex, then how did he and his partner progress all the way to the sexual act?

    So, he MUST have wanted to have sex. I don't see how they could be having sex in the first place if he didn't want to; he could stop her at any time.

    I agree, though, that if for some reason he wanted to have sex and then in the middle of the act changed his mind and told the woman to stop, and she DIDN'T, that she should be brought up on rape charges, even though the man was able to MAKE her stop and get out of the situation. Even then, though, she would have only been able to rape him for about a split second before he physically threw her off him.

    The law protects him as well; if he is too afraid to report her, well, that is his own problem.

    Although I do not consider a female raping a man and a man raping a female to be equal, at least not in terms of emotional trauma for the victim. A man would never find himself in a situation where he doesn't want sex but is UNABLE TO MAKE HIS PARTNER STOP.
     
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    I think females can rape males. Women superiors can use blackmail, harrassment, etc. Also, there are some women who are stronger than some men. Was what Mary Kay LaTourneau did rape? Which brings up another question, can you rape a person by mesmerizing them like Mary Kay did?
     
  14. Ardhanariswar

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    yes, women are completely capable of raping. it kinda depends, like older women can rape teenage boys. but you wont see a tiny woman rape someone big like arnold shwarzenneger.
     
  15. tumble_weed

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    wowowowowow...wait a second have you seen those weight lifting women...I'm sure most of those women could easily over power most men...Don't always assume that just because guys are guys that theya re instantly stronger...Males generally have the potential to be stronger it doesn't mean they are...Now OK imagine if a man and a women are having sex and then all of a sudden the man doesn't want to continue...are you saying he physically over power her-punch her, hit her? But then this will become a situation of assult for the man aswell. I am sure it is possible for women to overpower and rape men...

    well he could change his mind, the same way as a woman could change her mind.

    I don't think it would be his fault if he didn't report it...just the same way as it wouldn't be a womans fault for not reporting rape...if someone is scared to come forward, I don't think this is their fault...more likely the rapists fault.

    I would disagree...you said a man would never find himself in a situation where he would be raped...maybe it is less likely than a female being raped, but believe me it isn't impossoble....I would agree with GeneCosta...it might be the fact that they don't want to be seen that they have been raped....it would be embarrasing to say you have been raped...and people most likely wouldn't take it seriously...as women generally in society are seen as lesser than males...
     
  16. Ardhanariswar

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    yes they are. and the majority of those rape casses you hear are done by males. why? are males more sexually inclined than females? ive noticed (thx to my bro) that theres lesbian porn and hetero porn, but do women watch? sry if i get a little off topic.

    but seriously, in society, why does the guy always pay the bill after thier date? and then feminists ask for more pay. hmm, do they take guys out for dinner? then get a high payin job instead of whining!
     
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    Abuse is abuse -- regardless of whether it's happening to a man or a woman.

    Just in case anyone reading this is wondering whether they are themselves in an abusive relationship, here’s a quiz you can take (answer “yes” or “no” to the following statements):

    I am afraid of my partner.

    I cannot express my opinion or my feelings without being afraid of my partner’s reaction.

    I always ask my partner for permission to see family or friends, to spend money, or buy something for myself.

    I constantly manipulate myself, my children and my environment in order to make things “just so” for my partner.

    I try and try to please my partner only to be criticized again.

    I sometimes feel like I am living with two different people, a Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde.

    I am confused about the difference in the way my partner views our relationship and the way I see it.

    I am beginning to believe all the terrible things my partner says about me and accuses me of. Sometimes I’m not sure what is real anymore. Maybe I am going crazy.

    If you answer “yes” to just half those questions, you are being abused, and you should contact an abuse hot line or similar service for further information and to plan what to do about it. There is no legitimate reason you deserve to be abused.
     
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    Sunstone-if a wife is included in your idea of a "partner" then I don't think that one of your questions is necessary- "I always ask my partner for permission to see family or friends, to spend money, or buy something for myself."

    A wife SHOULD ask this of her husband- he is the head of the household. Besides, this is teamwork now, and no one should be buying stuff without asking about adequate funds.
     
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    Somehow "head of household" and "teamwork" sound like an oxymoron. You will notice that the person has to answer yes to several of these questions.
     
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