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Sex & the Art Gallery

Trackdayguy

Speed doesn't kill, it's hitting the wall
What's is the difference in a christian context between "Sex outside of marriage & visiting an Art Gallery"

"NOTHING" It's look don't touch....... OUCH !

For those who believe in a theistic God who apparently invented sex & said it was good, it seems odd to me that many of the religions that apparently represent Him, now say that sex outside of marriage is wrong. which is bizarre because sex is a natural and healthy way in which we show, give and receive affection.

So why do we permit the social structures we live in to control and shame us about something that God says was good, unless the social constraints we live by know more than God.

Looks to me like our social structures are out of wack with how God made us, unless of course he was wrong and misguided or doesn't exist.

Please remember that God never said it was good in the context of marriage, he said it was good period.
 

Axe Elf

Prophet
In the Christian view, it's not really possible to have sex outside of marriage; once you have sex with someone, you have created a marriage relationship with them. Now, if a man has sex with a woman who is already married, then it's adultery--but that's not really the same thing.

Hopefully all the men out there will honor their wives as they should.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
What's is the difference in a christian context between "Sex outside of marriage & visiting an Art Gallery"

"NOTHING" It's look don't touch....... OUCH !

For those who believe in a theistic God who apparently invented sex & said it was good, it seems odd to me that many of the religions that apparently represent Him, now say that sex outside of marriage is wrong. which is bizarre because sex is a natural and healthy way in which we show, give and receive affection.

So why do we permit the social structures we live in to control and shame us about something that God says was good, unless the social constraints we live by know more than God.

Looks to me like our social structures are out of wack with how God made us, unless of course he was wrong and misguided or doesn't exist.

Please remember that God never said it was good in the context of marriage, he said it was good period.

Because in scripture it says god made man and woman to create. So, the institute of marriage was to build a family and multiple rather than the "romantic philosophy" of love and angels. Since only a male and female can biologically create children, marriage is to protect that bond. Anything outside of marriage that involves sex is breaking that bond or sacrament. Anything outside of vagina/penal intercourse is seen as lust of the flesh. The idea is, if you aren't creating, you are just having fun.

It's political. As for the bias surrounding it, it's two things. 1. Definitions of the 21st isn't the same as B.C and A.D.
2. Application of those standards as is jewish culture somehow makes sense to the 21st century because god is the medium of culture not just Message.

Bias because of ones age deeply affects how they see sex. Not even twenty years ago people had one ideal of sex and today is totally different. Totally. Can you imagine back then?!

It's wrong because of applying one culture to all in the wrong era. It's wrong because it's not made for procreation and those that are, need to be protected by sacrament not just law.

It's not the fault of the christian. The Church and generational gap strongly influenced sex morals. It makes sense just my thing is influence their morals on others by law and personal interaction.
 

Trackdayguy

Speed doesn't kill, it's hitting the wall
Because in scripture it says god made man and woman to create. So, the institute of marriage was to build a family and multiple rather than the "romantic philosophy" of love and angels. Since only a male and female can biologically create children, marriage is to protect that bond. Anything outside of marriage that involves sex is breaking that bond or sacrament. Anything outside of vagina/penal intercourse is seen as lust of the flesh. The idea is, if you aren't creating, you are just having fun.

It's political. As for the bias surrounding it, it's two things. 1. Definitions of the 21st isn't the same as B.C and A.D.
2. Application of those standards as is jewish culture somehow makes sense to the 21st century because god is the medium of culture not just Message.

Bias because of ones age deeply affects how they see sex. Not even twenty years ago people had one ideal of sex and today is totally different. Totally. Can you imagine back then?!

It's wrong because of applying one culture to all in the wrong era. It's wrong because it's not made for procreation and those that are, need to be protected by sacrament not just law.

It's not the fault of the christian. The Church and generational gap strongly influenced sex morals. It makes sense just my thing is influence their morals on others by law and personal interaction.

And fun is bad....
 

Trackdayguy

Speed doesn't kill, it's hitting the wall
Because in scripture it says god made man and woman to create. So, the institute of marriage was to build a family and multiple rather than the "romantic philosophy" of love and angels. Since only a male and female can biologically create children, marriage is to protect that bond. Anything outside of marriage that involves sex is breaking that bond or sacrament. Anything outside of vagina/penal intercourse is seen as lust of the flesh. The idea is, if you aren't creating, you are just having fun.

It's political. As for the bias surrounding it, it's two things. 1. Definitions of the 21st isn't the same as B.C and A.D.
2. Application of those standards as is jewish culture somehow makes sense to the 21st century because god is the medium of culture not just Message.

Bias because of ones age deeply affects how they see sex. Not even twenty years ago people had one ideal of sex and today is totally different. Totally. Can you imagine back then?!

It's wrong because of applying one culture to all in the wrong era. It's wrong because it's not made for procreation and those that are, need to be protected by sacrament not just law.

It's not the fault of the christian. The Church and generational gap strongly influenced sex morals. It makes sense just my thing is influence their morals on others by law and personal interaction.

Now your quoting the Bible
 

PureX

Veteran Member
What's is the difference in a christian context between "Sex outside of marriage & visiting an Art Gallery"

"NOTHING" It's look don't touch....... OUCH !

For those who believe in a theistic God who apparently invented sex & said it was good, it seems odd to me that many of the religions that apparently represent Him, now say that sex outside of marriage is wrong. which is bizarre because sex is a natural and healthy way in which we show, give and receive affection.

So why do we permit the social structures we live in to control and shame us about something that God says was good, unless the social constraints we live by know more than God.

Looks to me like our social structures are out of wack with how God made us, unless of course he was wrong and misguided or doesn't exist.

Please remember that God never said it was good in the context of marriage, he said it was good period.
People use sex for all sorts of reasons and to gain all sorts of ends. Not just to show affection. So it's important that any society create a culture that is able to impose some sort of control over the way people use sexual interaction. And that's why religion in many cultures became so interested in people's sexual behaviors. And it's why every culture has some set of taboos regarding sexual activity.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
What's is the difference in a christian context between "Sex outside of marriage & visiting an Art Gallery"

"NOTHING" It's look don't touch....... OUCH !

For those who believe in a theistic God who apparently invented sex & said it was good, it seems odd to me that many of the religions that apparently represent Him, now say that sex outside of marriage is wrong. which is bizarre because sex is a natural and healthy way in which we show, give and receive affection.

So why do we permit the social structures we live in to control and shame us about something that God says was good, unless the social constraints we live by know more than God.

Looks to me like our social structures are out of wack with how God made us, unless of course he was wrong and misguided or doesn't exist.

Please remember that God never said it was good in the context of marriage, he said it was good period.
You've got to see this in social terms, in its historical context. For most of history, women have been enslaved by their fertility. People today forget that reliable contraception has only been around since the 1960s.

Sex is not only something with dangerous emotional power, but it also has very serious consequences, especially for women.
 

Trackdayguy

Speed doesn't kill, it's hitting the wall
I think the Christian Biblical view of sex, is rooted in their misguided picture of the garden of eden story "the 2 two shall become one" The word one used here is not a numerical number" its centered around oneness.

As a general rule the christian church is obsessed with sex as its seen as dirty/sinful/unclean & un holy. Yet in the same Bible God says sex is good, and it wasn't said in the context of monogamy, also the same Bible and the same God were initiators of Poly marriages. The puritans has a totally distorted picture of sex as do the RCC, being celibate doesn't make you more holy and pleasing to God, how deceived does on get. The misinterpretation of Genesis 1 has led people to believe that monogamy is God's plan and sex should only occur in that context. It just not true
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
I think the Christian Biblical view of sex, is rooted in their misguided picture of the garden of eden story "the 2 two shall become one" The word one used here is not a numerical number" its centered around oneness.

As a general rule the christian church is obsessed with sex as its seen as dirty/sinful/unclean & un holy. Yet in the same Bible God says sex is good, and it wasn't said in the context of monogamy, also the same Bible and the same God were initiators of Poly marriages. The puritans has a totally distorted picture of sex as do the RCC, being celibate doesn't make you more holy and pleasing to God, how deceived does on get. The misinterpretation of Genesis 1 has led people to believe that monogamy is God's plan and sex should only occur in that context. It just not true
There are sound biological reasons for monogamy in man.
 
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