Senate Committee to invest top FBI and Justice officials for “attempted bureaucratic coup”

[Shaul]

“The chairman of the US Senate Judiciary Committee has vowed to investigate allegations that top FBI and justice department officials discussed ways to remove President Trump from office.

Senator Lindsey Graham said the claims were an "attempted bureaucratic coup".”

Senator to probe 'talk on ousting Trump'

 

[whirlingmerc]

“The chairman of the US Senate Judiciary Committee has vowed to investigate allegations that top FBI and justice department officials discussed ways to remove President Trump from office.

Senator Lindsey Graham said the claims were an "attempted bureaucratic coup".”

Senator to probe 'talk on ousting Trump'

I don't know.

However in all these things one hopes the rumor mill doesn't rule the day and things are sorted out in a reasonable and just manner

 

[wellwisher]

Trump talked about the swamp since the time of his primary campaign. He had Hillary Clinton as one of the ring leaders.This talk caused the swamp to show its ugly face to the American people. Now the swamp can be drained.

The bureaucratic swamp appears to have a connection to the DNC leadership as evident by the dual standard of injustice. Hillary Clinton's exoneration was written before she was interviewed by the FBI. General Flynn was a victim of a swamp perjury trap, designed to make Trump look guilty of a fake Russian Collusion charge. Only one side was swamp protected.

It also appears many upper level Democrats, in both government and media, may be implicated as being part of the swamp. The media has freedom of press, the but this freedom does not extend to owners and members of the media company boards, who are not journalists, but who call the shots.

For example, Bezos, who owns the Washington Post, is not a journalist, but was a dire hard Trump hater who appears to have assisted the conspiracy as a key propaganda and leak outlet.

The question I would ask is how do you address all the Democrat leaders who went along, publicly, with the bureaucratic narratives, all fake, and all designed to hurt and take down Trump? Were they gullible or just stupid? They may need to be investigated before the next election cycle less we reelect criminals or allow a criminal to run for president.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

the swamp can be drained.

The swamp has been draining for over two years now. I've been keeping a running list of the members of the Trump White House that have quit, been fired, been forced out, or in some cases indicted. I apologize for it being a wall of words, but that's how it was recorded

Spoiler: Trump's swamp

Acting Attorney General Sally Yates, FBI Director James Comey, US Attorney Preet Bharara of the SDNY, National Security Advisor Michael Flynn (confessed to crimes against the United States), Deputy Assistant Sebastian Gorka, Chief Strategist Steve Bannon, HHS Secretary Tom Price (financial scandal), Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci (inappropriate remarks), White House Press Secretary and Communications Director Sean Spicer, White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus, Keith Schiller (recently testified about the Pee Pee Tape), At this point Donald Trump has either fired or prompted the resignations of Communications Director Mike Dubke, Ezra Cohen-Watnick (conspired with Nunes in early 2017 to leak classified information about the Trump-Russia investigation to the Trump administration), Tom Price, KT McFarland, Joel Clement, Carl Icahn, James Schultz (WH ethics lawyer), Maliz Beams (State dept), Director of Communications, Office of Public Liaison Omarosa Manigault Newman, White House Deputy Chief Rick Dearborn, national security deputy Dina Powell, White House National Economic Council Deputy Director Jeremy Katz, Katie Walsh, all sixteen remaining members of the White House panel on HIV and AIDS, Teresa Manning (anti-abortion activist in charge of Title X, physically escorted from HHS premises, Carl Higbie (Chief of External Affairs for the Corporation for National and Community Service, racist comments), Israel Hernandez, a senior adviser to Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross, Dana Boente, White House staff secretary Rob Porter (he allegedly beat up two ex-wives), Rachel Brand (#3 in DOJ), White House speechwriter David Sorensen (accusations of domestic abuse against his ex-wife), White House Deputy Chief of Staff John (or Jim) Carroll (resigned and appointed White House Drug Czar), White House speechwriter David Sorensen (resigned amid domestic abuse accusations against him), George David Banks (senior official at the White House National Economic Council, couldn’t get permanent security clearance) Shulkin’s chief of staff Vivieca Wright Simpson, Hope Hicks, White House deputy communications director Josh Raffel, Office of American Innovation director and tech adviser Reed Cordish, Deputy Secretary of Homeland Security Elaine Duke, Director for the Office of Government Ethics Walter Shaub, senior advisor to the secretary of defense Sally Donnely, director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Dr. Brenda Fitzgerald, VP Chief of Staff Josh Pitcock, senior assistant press secretary Michael Short, White House chief economic advisor Gary Cohn, Trump personal assistant John McEntee, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, 2nd NSA chief McMaster, lead council John Dowd, Secretary of Veterans Affairs David Shulkin, infrastructure policy adviser DJ Gribbin, senior counsel and associate administrator in EPA's Office of Policy Samantha Dravis, National Security Council spokesperson Michael Anton, top homeland security aide Tom Bossert, Deputy national security adviser Nadia Schadlow (resigned), Dr. Ronny Jackson, Ty Cobb, White House Counsel Don McGahn, USDA liaison Sam Clovis, White House Press Secretary Huckabee Sanders, her deputy Raj Shah, White House congressional liason Marc Short, Trump’s assistant spokeswoman Kelly Love, White House Deputy Chief of Staff Joe Hagin, Nikki Haley, Deputy National Security Adviser Mira Ricardel, National Security Council’s Director for the Persian Gulf Kirsten Fontenrose, Chief-of-Staff Kelly, failed Chief-of-Staff appointee Nick Ayers, Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke, Defense Secretary James Mattis, special presidential envoy for the global coalition to counter ISIS Brett McGurk, Department of Defense Chief of Staff Rear Admiral Kevin Sweeney, official spokesperson for the Department of Defense, Dana White

General Flynn was a victim of a swamp perjury trap

Yes, and Ted Bundy was the victim of a mass murderer trap. The nation had already set up a network of law enforcement agencies to trap people that went around killing other people, and Bundy stepped right into it, just llike Flynn stepped into his perjury trap. Laws were written making perjury a crime, Flynn testified falsely under oath, and the trap was sprung.

You seem to see this as unjust.

Did Flynn commit perjury or not? If so, is that a crime? If it's a crime, should it be prosecuted or ignored? If you agree that Flynn committed the crime of perjury (he's confessed to it), you either support the rule of law and equal justice under it for all and support the idea of Flynn going to prison, or you support some other arrangement that treats Flynn as the victim here.

The question I would ask is how do you address all the Democrat leaders who went along, publicly, with the bureaucratic narratives, all fake, and all designed to hurt and take down Trump?

I thank all who labor to expose what Trump and his orbit are and have done. I expect Adam Schiff to shine especially brightly. I also appreciate the work of Republicans like Rob Rosenstein and Bob Mueller. All law-abiding Americans share the same interest in seeing to it that if their leaders are criminals, that that fact be exposed and remedied. You seem to want Democrats subjected to such processes, and they should be if credible charges can be raised, so I assume that you agree that Republicans should be held to the same standard that you hold Democrats.

They may need to be investigated before the next election cycle less we reelect criminals or allow a criminal to run for president.

I think that that ship has sailed.

Trump hasn't been convicted of a crime yet possibly in part because Mueller hasn't completed his investigation, but the fact that it is believed that a sitting president cannot be indicted means that he also cannot be tried or convicted in criminal court until he is no longer president. So, he may well be a criminal not yet indicted or convicted (forgetting for the moment such things as the Trump University fraud).

But despite that, there is good reason to believe that Trump will eventually connected to conspiracy to corrupt an election and alter its outcome, violation of campaign finance law, emoluments clause violations, money laundering, and/or charities fraud, not to mention embezzlement from his inauguration committee funds.

I'm sure that you want to know if there is any truth to these allegations, right? If the American president is a criminal, you support the effort to bring him to justice, correct? If not, if we can't agree about basic values like these, then people like you and me have virtually no common ground about what America is and should be - what her core principles are and how best to promote them.

 

[Revoltingest]

Continual investigations could be a good thing.
Manafort got committing tax fraud & for not filing some reports.
If both sides harass each other with endless investigations, it
will perhaps frighten them all into eschewing illegal behavior.

 

[metis]

“The chairman of the US Senate Judiciary Committee has vowed to investigate allegations that top FBI and justice department officials discussed ways to remove President Trump from office.

Senator Lindsey Graham said the claims were an "attempted bureaucratic coup".”

Senator to probe 'talk on ousting Trump'

The 25th Amendment is found in the Constitution of the United States of America, so the use of the word "coup" in the title of the OP is nothing short of being sheer partisan nonsense.

 

[fantome profane]

I hope it is an open investigation but I suspect it will all be done behind closed doors. The last thing the GOP wants is more news coverage of McCabe on TV explaining why they thought Trump might be a Russian agent.

 

[tytlyf]

How would the senate know what Mueller has? They don't. The right has done this in the past. Quick, look over there!

 

[ecco]

General Flynn was a victim of a swamp perjury trap, designed to make Trump look guilty of a fake Russian Collusion charge.

General Flynn, on orders from Trump, met with Russians to assure them that the Congressionally imposed sanctions would be set aside once Trump became president.

When asked about it, Flynn, to protect his Commander in Chief, denied there was a meeting.

He specifically denied the meeting to VP Pence.

Based on that personal denial, Pence told the American people that Flynn had never met with the Russians for any reason.

When there was substantial evidence that Flynn had met with the Russians, Trump, to save a little face, fired Flynn.

When questioned by the FBI, Flynn lied them. That is a Federal crime.

If you don't like the laws, write your Congressperson and ask them to change it.

 

[ecco]

“The chairman of the US Senate Judiciary Committee has vowed to investigate allegations that top FBI and justice department officials discussed ways to remove President Trump from office.

Senator Lindsey Graham said the claims were an "attempted bureaucratic coup".”

Senator to probe 'talk on ousting Trump'

Senator Lindsey Graham said the claims were an "attempted bureaucratic coup".

Ex-acting FBI chief Andrew McCabe said Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein had talks in 2017 about a constitutional clause that allows the removal of a president if deemed unfit.
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How did Graham get "attempted bureaucratic coup" from "talks ... about a constitutional clause"?

​

 

[Twilight Hue]

“The chairman of the US Senate Judiciary Committee has vowed to investigate allegations that top FBI and justice department officials discussed ways to remove President Trump from office.

Senator Lindsey Graham said the claims were an "attempted bureaucratic coup".”

Senator to probe 'talk on ousting Trump'

Sounds like treason.

 

[Shaul]

The 25th Amendment is found in the Constitution of the United States of America, so the use of the word "coup" in the title of the OP is nothing short of being sheer partisan nonsense.

It is not the place of members of the Nation’s law enforcement agencies to use their offices to overturn an election result for ideological reasons.

Your reference to the 25th Amendment is a total red herring. In order to remove a President involuntarily the Vice President must concur. None of these rogue officials were acting at the behest of Vice President Pence. And for them to start seeking pretexts even before President Trump took office belies was their motives. They care less whether President Trump is unable to serve then that they hate him.

 

[ecco]

They care less whether President Trump is unable to serve then that they hate him.

Why do people hate or despise Trump? A couple of years ago I had never heard of him. I neither hated nor despised him. Then he ran for office and said and did a lot of things.

• He said John McCain was no war hero.
• He made fun of a handicapped journalist.
• He denigrated a Silver Star family.
• He insulted every one of his opponents in the primaries using tactics like juvenile name calling.
• Whenever the Media/Press confronted him, he shouted "Fake News".
• He insulted the leaders of our European allies.
• He lied about the Flynn affair.
• He unilaterally pulled out of the Iran nuclear treaty against the advice of the intelligence community.
• He rejected AGW Climate Change.
• He takes the word of Putin over our intelligence community.
• He gave a world stage to NK's Kim.
• Need I go on?

 

[Willamena]

Why do people hate or despise Trump? A couple of years ago I had never heard of him...

Well then, that's why you don't hate him.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Why do people hate or despise Trump? A couple of years ago I had never heard of him. I neither hated nor despised him. Then he ran for office and said and did a lot of things.

• He said John McCain was no war hero.
• He made fun of a handicapped journalist.
• He denigrated a Silver Star family.
• He insulted every one of his opponents in the primaries using tactics like juvenile name calling.
• Whenever the Media/Press confronted him, he shouted "Fake News".
• He insulted the leaders of our European allies.
• He lied about the Flynn affair.
• He unilaterally pulled out of the Iran nuclear treaty against the advice of the intelligence community.
• He rejected AGW Climate Change.
• He takes the word of Putin over our intelligence community.
• He gave a world stage to NK's Kim.
• Need I go on?

Australian leaders too. But yes, that and more.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Sounds like treason.

So, it hasn't even been investigated, and you're talking about treason, whereas the Muller (sp?) Probe has resulted in multiple arrests and convictions and you often seem to imply it is a waste of time. Can you see how that looks hypocritical?

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

It is not the place of members of the Nation’s law enforcement agencies to use their offices to overturn an election result for ideological reasons.

Of course, one would need to be pretty gullible to buy into anything coming from the Trump White house or his sycophantic lackeys like Hannity, but there may be a kernel of truth to the idea that the intelligence community wants Trump out of the White House given the very real possibility that Trump is compromised by the Russians and is serving as a Russian asset. His foreign policy, for example, is what we would expect Putin's to be - ease sanctions, withdraw America from the Iranian arms treaty, insult American allies, cozy up to dictators like Putin, Kim Jong Un and the Saudi prince, and now talk of leaving the UN.

There are two possible situations that I suspect that the intelligence community would keep secret from the American people and the press. One would be that the Russians fixed the election, that Clinton was the legitimate winner, and that Trump is an illegitimate president. The other would be that the president of the United States is a de facto Russian agent. Imagine the repercussions if there were credible evidence for either or both of those possibilities, and it became public knowledge, with little or no mechanism or recourse for rectification. Would there be riots in the street?

Perhaps the intelligence community knows something that we don't.We would certainly hope so. If it's something along the lines of what I have suggested, how should they proceed? They might consider a coup the preferred method to remove Trump from office. If so, I would support that effort.

They care less whether President Trump is unable to serve then that they hate him.

The antipathy for Trump seems to be a mystery for much of conservative America. I would suggest that those who are still stumped by this phenomenon are too different from the rest of us to ever understand why we deeply resent a pathological liar, lifetime societal parasite, business fraud, wannabe dictator, likely Russian sympathizer, and serial sexual predator and adulterer sullying the White House.

I get the feeling when I read about an attempted coup, whether a valid concern or just more fake news coming from the usual suspects, that I am expected to object on principle. I don't. Like so many tens of millions of others, I want Trump gone, and the modus exodus is not important. A political coup would be fine. So would an alien abduction or an incapacitating golf cart accident for that matter.

 

[Twilight Hue]

So, it hasn't even been investigated, and you're talking about treason, whereas the Muller (sp?) Probe has resulted in multiple arrests and convictions and you often seem to imply it is a waste of time. Can you see how that looks hypocritical?

I said it sounds like treason. Maybe Mueller should get on to that one. It sounds far more serious.

 

[sooda]

The 25th Amendment is found in the Constitution of the United States of America, so the use of the word "coup" in the title of the OP is nothing short of being sheer partisan nonsense.

Lindsey Graham is increasingly weird.. He was long time best friends with McCain and now he jumps at every chance to carry water for Trump ..

 

[metis]

It is not the place of members of the Nation’s law enforcement agencies to use their offices to overturn an election result for ideological reasons.

Your reference to the 25th Amendment is a total red herring. In order to remove a President involuntarily the Vice President must concur. None of these rogue officials were acting at the behest of Vice President Pence. And for them to start seeking pretexts even before President Trump took office belies was their motives. They care less whether President Trump is unable to serve then that they hate him.

The FBI has a role to investigate what could be crimes, which is exactly what they were doing with McCabe and others as he could not make the decision on his own. Then it's up to the cabinet and the VP to go on from there. It is not Pence's role to call for such an investigation nor deny one.

So, what evidence can you present that indicates that what happened was some sort of anti-Trump conspiracy? Didn't what Trump did send up any red flags with you, especially after firing Comey and stating that he did it at least in part to stop Comey's investigation? And what about Trump's relationships with Manafort and Flynn, both of what we now know had Russian contacts associated with Putin?

To put it another way, it would have been totally careless and irresponsible for the FBI not to investigate Trump based on these and other pieces of information that were surfacing, some of which we may not yet been made aware of.

Therefore, it is clearly you that's making a rush to judgement, not me with a red herring, as I much prefer mine with Italian bread crumbs sauteed in some olive oil with some garlic. Now look what you've done as I just drooled on my keyboard.