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Self-Realization and Enlightenment

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Fool, Dec 2, 2020.

  1. Fool

    Fool ALL in all
    Premium Member

    Jan 12, 2016
    Light Impressed with Love
    is this a form of enlightenment, to dispel suffering?

    Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends.

    or this?

    When Lin-chi met Huang-po to say farewell, the old master gently advised him to go to the nearby monastery presided over by Ta-yu, and that counsel changed Lin-chi's life. Upon presenting himself to Ta-yu and explaining his story, Ta-yu said, "Huang-po treated you with great compassion. He only wanted to dispel your distress." Suddenly Lin-chi understood and replied, "So Huang-po's doctrine is very simple; there's nothing to it at all!"

    "You scamp!" Ta-yu yelled, grabbing Lin-chi. "You complained that Huang-po's teaching was incomprehensible. Now you say there's nothing to it. What have you realized. Speak quickly!"

    Lin-chi responded by poking Ta-yu's ribs, and Ta-yu said, "Your teacher is Huang-po. You do not concern me." Lin-chi returned at once to Huang-po's monastery and presented himself to his teacher.

    "Haven't you come back a bit soon?" Huang-po asked. "You only just left."

    "Because you have been so kind to me," Lin-chi replied, "I have returned quickly." Then Lin-chi told of his meeting with Ta-yu.

    "What a big mouth that old man has", Huang-po declared. "When I next see him, I'll give him a taste of my staff."

    "Why wait?" Lin-chi responded. "I can do it now", and he slapped Huang-po's face.

    Huang-po said, "This crazy monk is plucking the tiger's whiskers", and Lin-chi let out a yell.

    "Take him to the assembly hall", Huang-po instructed an attendant.

  2. Nakosis

    Nakosis crystal soldier
    Premium Member

    Nov 16, 2011
    Atheist Libertarian
    I suspect self-realization is when the student becomes the master, which should be the goal of every master.