Jim
Nets of Wonder
@Dan From Smithville Some of what I’ve said might not be relevant. I would need to see some specific examples of what you’re wondering about. There might many different answers to your questions, in different circumstances. Maybe a person thinks that the Bible can never be wrong, and that they have some way of knowing what the Bible says. Can you understand a person thinking that science can be wrong sometimes? If science can be wrong sometimes. and what the person thinks the Bible says can never be wrong, then any time there’s a contradiction between the two, then it must be the science that’s wrong.
That isn’t how I think, but I can easily imagine people thinking that way.
I feel like I’m still not really understanding what your question is. Is it because when you try to tell some people some things that you think should make a difference to them, it doesn’t make any difference to them? Is it because you don’t understand why people haven’t considered everything that you’ve considered, or if they have, then how could they not be agreeing with what you think about it? Whatever the question is, like I said, there might be different answers for different situations. I don’t know how far you would want to go with this. For now I’m interested in exploring it as far you would want to. I think we might need to look at some specific examples.
I want to try to explain some more what I was saying about my own view. It looks to me like what people think they know that they call “science,” in forum debating, is mostly what they’ve seen some other people saying, that they’re trusting to tell them what science says. They have some fuzzy idea that it’s based on something that they think of as “scientific research.” Every time I’ve probed into it, it turns out to be some kind of synthesis of the views of some people with science degrees in some fields of study that are allegedly relevant to the topic that is being debated.
However that may be, I don’t see any need at all for me to try to conform my views to anything that anyone calls “science,” no matter how many people with science degrees allegedly agree with it.
If someone would point out to me some research results that they think invalidate some view of mine, that would interest me. Just to call my views “unscientific,” or to say that I’m disagreeing with any number of people with science degrees, means nothing to me.
That isn’t how I think, but I can easily imagine people thinking that way.
I feel like I’m still not really understanding what your question is. Is it because when you try to tell some people some things that you think should make a difference to them, it doesn’t make any difference to them? Is it because you don’t understand why people haven’t considered everything that you’ve considered, or if they have, then how could they not be agreeing with what you think about it? Whatever the question is, like I said, there might be different answers for different situations. I don’t know how far you would want to go with this. For now I’m interested in exploring it as far you would want to. I think we might need to look at some specific examples.
I want to try to explain some more what I was saying about my own view. It looks to me like what people think they know that they call “science,” in forum debating, is mostly what they’ve seen some other people saying, that they’re trusting to tell them what science says. They have some fuzzy idea that it’s based on something that they think of as “scientific research.” Every time I’ve probed into it, it turns out to be some kind of synthesis of the views of some people with science degrees in some fields of study that are allegedly relevant to the topic that is being debated.
However that may be, I don’t see any need at all for me to try to conform my views to anything that anyone calls “science,” no matter how many people with science degrees allegedly agree with it.
If someone would point out to me some research results that they think invalidate some view of mine, that would interest me. Just to call my views “unscientific,” or to say that I’m disagreeing with any number of people with science degrees, means nothing to me.