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Featured Self-actualization and Idolatry

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Fool, Jul 24, 2019.

  1. Road Less Traveled

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    Any lower vibrations, densities, such as hatred would have come from the All though still. The Source of All. No?

    And if a bot does not have the same feeling capacity as most, unable to feel any love or hate..... what source did that come from?
     
  2. Fool

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    the absolute has free will yes and so does the bot.

    but that bot will be harvested even if it travels down that path. we are dealing with third density reality that allows for either. but you are thinking from a bottom up. you're not thinking top down. the ABSOLUTE loves all in ALL. there is no requirement for the bots to be aware of anything apart from itself but then ignorance leads to death. it will die in its sins, ignorance eventually. change will, must come.


    if the negative service to self chooses hatred, discrimination as the service it will eventually be opposed to the Absolute. It will go against what is natural in nature. stupid is as stupid does.


    shiva is going to dance, tandava


    the service to all as self, or love, serves all as ONE. hatred serves only as self in polarity to other as self. there is no other for the ABSOLUTE to love/hate vs some otherness.



     
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  3. ajay0

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    The impersonal Brahman is the source of the subtle and gross.

    Food looks aesthetic on the outside, but when it passes through the body and intestines, it obviously does not look much aesthetic.


    This is perceived upon direct enlightenment and experiential understanding, and not through mere
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    The intellect operates by the pair of opposites, and is essentially dualistic.

    Our intellect can register a situation or a condition only with reference to the comparative estimate of its opposite.Thus, I can understand light only with reference to my knowledge of darkness. Comparison is the only way of understanding given to man. If there is no contrast for a thing, we cannot gain knowledge of that thing. - Swami Chinmayananda



    So the dualistic intellect obviously cannot understand the nondual Brahman , as Brahman is beyond the pair of opposites.

    Thus all intellectual understanding you may attain will not be a proper understanding or perception of Brahman and will be corrupted by your mental interpretations and belief sets. This when conveyed to others obviously result in more confusion and even delusion for that matter.

    It is through experiential understanding through meditation that one can perceive this.
     
  4. Road Less Traveled

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    Let’s go back to the very top.

    Regarding ‘you’ or the ‘I’ inside of the machine.... what was ‘you’ or the ‘I’s initial state?
    Were ‘you’ one, purely aware, purely good, purely free with ‘Brahman’ or were ‘you’ a lower product of creation?
     
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    Isn't idolatry an obsession with the maya?
     
  6. Road Less Traveled

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    Does anyone here ever stop gaining more and more awareness? Can someone be led into delusion and confusion only to become aware of that delusion and confusion at a later time in order to understand the delusion and confusion?

    True stuff, for grosser material levels. Rather, if a source is 100% pure awareness .... how can something even 0.0000000000000000000000000000000001% impure/ignorant come from it?

    Sensible. Would have to go beyond the intellect. And the difference between knowing and having knowledge of.

    Beyond the pair of opposites meaning....Brahman would be neither pure nor impure, neither good nor evil, neither light nor dark, neither aware nor ignorant or both of all of those in totality?

    That’s where a lot of confusion and delusion has perhaps been seen: so trying to better understand where you guys are all coming from. One says Brahman is pure good, another says there is no good or evil. Then it’s said that something ignorant and impure can come from pure awareness.

    Then there is talk about ‘selfs’ and ‘false self’s.’ If it is a false ‘self,’ then it’s not someone’s ‘self’ to begin with. Then what is that falsity and where did it come from?

    Then another states that there is only the All and a single Source from which all came, and cites texts. Yet those texts speak of another separate and distinct Father/source. Also states there is no good or evil yet cites from texts that talk about there being good and evil.
     
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  7. Fool

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    its your choice to wonder away from the center, like lost sheep.

    you are a product of your own free will. you reap what you sow, karma. and if you keep following the illusion of difference between forms vs actions, then you will never comprehend.


    how low can you go? how far will you go?


    Revelation 2:24
    But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
     
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    very insightful
     
  9. Road Less Traveled

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    What does any of this have to do with what I asked? I’m trying to get a better gauge on what you mean by ‘free will’ and ‘karma’ and from where ‘I’ or ‘you’ started in the freewill and karma process. At the very top/center with Brahman or in the middle, towards the bottom?
     
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    ignorance of something is what it's all about. a third density consciousness is not necessarily aware of fourth density things. second density beings are not necessarily aware of third density things and so on. each would be conscious of its self and other things on its dimension but not necessarily above, or beyond its level, dimension
     
  11. ajay0

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    People can gain higher states or lower states of consciousness as per their actions. They can either become more self-aware or become more unconscious.

    I have elaborated this in this thread of mine.

    On Awareness-Proactivity and Unconsciousness-Ego-Reactivity...

    Obviously lack of sound judgement will result in failure and misery, which forces one to understand the circumstances for it.



    That you must find out for yourself through experiential understanding through meditative awareness.

    Brahman is subtler than the thought, mind or intellect, and hence intellectual understanding is not the right instrument to grasp it.

    The right tool to grasp it is one's own consciousness , and meditation is the way for it.



    Error disappears through truth. Find out the truth through your own investigation.

    But the truth can be hazardous to conditioned minds and is not for the faint-hearted, so proceed at your own peril and circumspection. Follow the due process and due diligence in terms of risk management, and if you find that it is not that desirable, forget it, and go back to your life and blissful ignorance.

    Good and bad are one of the many dualistic pairs of opposites that emanate from the unitary Brahman or pure consciousness in its grosser manifestation of the multiverse.
     
  12. Road Less Traveled

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    Are all actions ‘their’ actions?

    It takes awhile and a lot for sound judgement to develop. In the meantime, from ignorance and/or lack of power to control, and from faulty traits/programming (all never asked for)... a lot of strings of hell suffering for themselves and others are put into motion.

    Certainly. Not easy discovering the grand fraud or having to strength to withstand. Although a clean, and empty-state mind can just be re-built back up with fluffy and wise sounding things that seem right and make sense, but are still off.

    Me personally, I wouldn’t want to go back to the source or trust a source from which all of this madness came.

    Pure awareness/consciousness just sounds like hell. Rather, just being and naturally doing without thought and being beyond the mind seems serene. Like being aware but not aware. Unfortunately in this zoo, have to be aware and also vigilant.
     
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  13. ajay0

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    Yes.

    A clean empty-state mind is the ends. It is what is known as Self or awareness or no-mind, and in such a state the effects of past conditioning are nullified, and one would intuitively know what to do.
     
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