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Secular Morality Rules List

Discussion in 'Philosophy' started by Darkforbid, Oct 29, 2019.

  1. Darkforbid

    Darkforbid Well-Known Member

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    I've been searching for basic rules list secular morality is based on. I'm sure someone here in philosophy, or somewhere! Someone must have one

    Can anybody help?
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  2. sun rise

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    IMHO, without God any such foundation would be arbitrary.
     
  4. Darkforbid

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    Yep, started there despite what people about wiki you'll usually find few good links

    Alas as far as I can tell the versions there seem to believe in some kind of 'born with' automatic understanding of right and wrong

    I mean really what part of human history shows any?
     
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    Try some John Stewart Mill, Peter Singer, and Derek Parfit.

    But you are not very likely to find much in the way of rules. Non-theistic approaches on ethics tend to be consequentialist, not deontological.
     
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    I am not sure what you are asking for. The Humanist Manifestos are the basic morals and ethics found in most Western secular governments and legal systems of justice, and most often lacking in Christian religious monarchies of the past, such as religious freedom and tolerance in the diversity of religions and societies.

    From the Theist perspective the basic principles of the Baha'i Faith have become contemporary standards for the morals and ethics of modern societies in a similar way as the Humanist Manifestos, but before the manifestos existed.
     
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  7. Darkforbid

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    So by secular morality they mean 'the law'
     
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    No not just the law, also a system of human morals and ethics that encourage tolerance and understanding of a diversity of religious and philosophical views, which was lacking in the Christian monarchies of the past.
     
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    Great can you give me a quick rundown of this moral and ethical list
     
  10. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    I see we are born with the potential, but nature, nurture and education are needed.

    That is where Faith becomes the foundation of philosophy.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Take everything you personally believe is moral and ethical and act the opposite way.

    That is secular morality.

    Beyond that, it is not worth explaining to the hateful and self imposed ignorant. They just are not capable of understanding.
     
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    Why have you not looked this up on your own since you claim to have made an exhaustive search yourself?

    My personal objection to the Humanist Manifesto is the emphasizes more humanist aspirations from the universal perspective. The Baha'i Faith empecizes more universal aspirations in terms of Thesim and even the broader consideration of the diversity of beliefs. Both reflect a more contemporary perspective of a diverse world that requires getting along beyond just tolerating differences.

    The Humanist Manifesto: Humanism and Its Aspirations: Humanist Manifesto III, a Successor to the Humanist Manifesto of 1933 - American Humanist Association

    "Working to benefit society maximizes individual happiness. Progressive cultures have worked to free humanity from the brutalities of mere survival and to reduce suffering, improve society, and develop global community. We seek to minimize the inequities of circumstance and ability, and we support a just distribution of nature’s resources and the fruits of human effort so that as many as possible can enjoy a good life.

    Humanists are concerned for the well being of all, are committed to diversity, and respect those of differing yet humane views. We work to uphold the equal enjoyment of human rights and civil liberties in an open, secular society and maintain it is a civic duty to participate in the democratic process and a planetary duty to protect nature’s integrity, diversity, and beauty in a secure, sustainable manner.
    Baha'i Principles:"

    Some of the fundamental teachings of the Baha'i Faith:
    • The oneness of God.
    • The essential unity of religion.
    • The unity of mankind.
    • Equality of men and women.
    • Elimination of all forms of prejudice.
    • World peace.
    • Harmony of religion and science.
    • Independent investigation of truth.
     
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    The question is akin to saying 'Can someone show me the basic rules list that religious morality is based on.'
    So...can you?
     
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    began somewhat like this:


    Principles Of Ma'at

    The 42 Laws of Ma'at are also known as the “Declaration of Innocence” are over 7000 years old. They are drawn from the oldest holy book, “Pert em Hru “Book of Coming Forth by Day,” one of the world's oldest books of holy scriptures. These 42 Principles of the Goddess Ma'at were enclosed in tombs and the main content in the Book of the Dead. A hieratic inscription upon the sarcophagus of Queen Khnem-nefert, wife of Mentu-hetep, a king of the eleventh dynasty, .2500 B.C., states that a certain chapter of the Book of the Dead was discovered in the reign of Hesep-ti, the fifth king of the first dynasty, who flourished about 4266 B.C. making these the oldest rules. It is hard to say how long they existed before this.

    The book of the dead was the guide book for getting into the heavens. Magic was the very mainspring of existence in that sphere, and unless a spirit was acquainted with the formula which compelled the respect of the various gods and demons, and even of inanimate objects, it was helpless. The region to which the dead departed, the primitive Egyptians called Duat. They believed it to be formed of the body of Osiris. It was regarded as dark and gloomy, containing pits of fire and dreadful monsters which circled the earth. through which the soul of the deceased might not hope to struggle unless guided by some benevolent spirit who knew the paths through this country of despair. Thick darkness covered everything, and under the veil of this, the hideous inhabitants of the place practised all

    1. I have not killed, nor bid anyone to kill.
    2. I have not committed adultery or rape.
    3. I have not avenged thyself nor burned with rage.
    4. I have not caused terror.
    5. I have not assaulted anyone nor caused anyone pain.
    6. I have not caused misery.
    7. I have not done any harm to man or to animals.
    8. I have not caused the shedding of tears.
    9. I have not wronged the people nor bore them any evil intent.
    10. I have not stolen, nor took that which does not belong to me.
    11. I have not took more than thy fair share of food.
    12. I have not damaged the crops, the fields, or the trees.
    13. I have not deprived anyone of what is rightfully theirs.
    14. I have not bore false witness, or supported false allegations.
    15. I have not lied, nor spoke falsely to the hurt of another.
    16. I have not used fiery words nor stirred up any strife.
    17. I have not spoke or acted deceitful to the hurt of another.
    18. I have not spoke scornfully against others.
    19. I have not eaves dropped.
    20. I have not ignored the truth or words of righteousness.
    21. I have not judged anyone hastily or harshly.
    22. I have not disrespected sacred places.
    23. I Have not caused any wrong to be done to any workers or prisoners.
    24. I have not been angry without good reason.
    25. I have not hindered the flow of running water.
    26. I have not wasted any running water.
    27. I have not polluted the water or the land.
    28. I have not used God’s name in vain.
    29. I have not despised or angered God.
    30. I have not stole from God.
    31. I have not gave excessive offerings nor less than what was due.
    32. I have not coveted thy neighbor’s goods.
    33. I have not stole from or disrespected the dead.
    34. I have remembered and observed the appointed holy days.
    35. I have not held back the offerings due God.
    36. I have not interfered with sacred rites.
    37. I have not slaughtered with evil intent any sacred animals.
    38. I have not acted with guile or insolence.
    39. I have not been unduly proud or acted with arrogance.
    40. I have not magnified my condition beyond what is appropriate.
    41. I do no less than my daily obligations require.
    42. I have obeyed the law and not committed treason.

    42 Principles of Maat
     
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    No, that is not the case. But since most laws are based upon secular morality it may seem that way at times.
     
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    Reason and compassion tend to produce significantly more sensible sets of ethics than do arbitrary superstitions.
     
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    Asked and answered elsewhere today, but in the interest of good faith discussions (he said ironically):

    Most of the secularists I know believe in the Golden Rule, and prefer being healthy to being diseased. So that leads to the idea that good morals should support the well being of conscious creatures.

    As it turns out many religions that don't veer towards fundamentalism share some of the same ideas. So the difference isn't so much in the morals themselves, but in how they're derived. Secularists believe that morals are derived from human experience and compassion and common sense. Some religious people believe that morals come from their god. We can all agree however that various religions don't agree with each other, so for you to set up a sort of schism between atheists and the religious as regards to morality doesn't hold a lot of water.
     
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    Which are?
     
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    On the contrary, ethics based on real world cause and effect are far more rational and subtantiated than the random and inconsistent "morals" pulled from the asses of countless gods of countless religions.
     
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    Oh so the same as the religious then:

    'The "Declaration Toward a Global Ethic"[57] from the Parliament of the World’s Religions (1993) proclaimed the Golden Rule ("We must treat others as we wish others to treat us") as the common principle for many religions. The Initial Declaration was signed by 143 leaders from all of the world's major faiths, including Baha'i Faith, Brahmanism, Brahma Kumaris, Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Indigenous, Interfaith, Islam, Jainism, Judaism, Native American, Neo-Pagan, Sikhism, Taoism, Theosophist, Unitarian Universalist and Zoroastrian. In the folklore of several cultures the Golden Rule is depicted by the allegory of the long spoons.'
     
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