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Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Earthling, Jun 10, 2018.

  1. Earthling

    Earthling David Henson

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    You are right on it! But, now, you said for three days Jesus body was in Sheol / Hades, but what about the spirit form Jesus had been before coming to earth - it wasn't simply dead, nor on earth, nor in Hades. So, where was it? I'm almost positive you know. You've got everything else right so far.
     
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    Indio
    The group Indio.. Although I have to admit Eddie really took it and made it a better song. But Eddie has a very unique. D great voice and is extremely detailed oriented on doing cover songs.
    Here is the Indio version

     
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    BTW I live on the oregon coast so I get the real deal constantly first person, although I do have a friend that is a landscape painter here and I tell her, her work is important.
     
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    You're right. That's what I meant by Tartaros. I believe it's the same as the bottomless pit and a prison for angelic beings rather than humans.
     
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    Earthling David Henson

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    Well I was all confused. The audio wasn't real good on the live version I put up when I seen that the video you put up (Eddie's) was blank, I really like that song. I've never heard of Indio. Good stuff. Thanks.
     
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    Earthling David Henson

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    You already said that. I didn't see it. I haven't been feeling well and have just been popping quickly in and out.
     
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    You don't see the contradiction in your post, do you?
     
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    Deeje Avid Bible Student
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    There is no contradiction in the post...only in your interpretation......as usual. :rolleyes:
     
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    djhwoodwerks Well-Known Member

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    What do you believe Jesus was trying to present to His disciples with that "story"?


    How can that be? Will you please quote the book and verse where the Bible talks about someone in between "righteous" and unrighteous".



    Romans 6:2 (ESV Strong's) 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?

    Verse 2 refutes that!
     
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    Ahh Deeje, long time! How have you been? How do you spend your time now that the preaching work has ended?

    There is a contradiction, unless you can explain the difference, with scripture, between the unrighteous and wicked.
     
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    Deeje Avid Bible Student
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    Did I miss the memo? When did the preaching work end? :shrug:

    There is a good deal of difference between the unrighteous and the wicked.....

    The unrighteous whom Jesus will resurrect are those who have lived and died in times past when there was no knowledge of God or his Christ available to them. Its called ignorance and unless you hear God's word, you can't really obey "the gospel of our Lord Jesus".

    As Paul said...."For it is right for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to you who are being afflicted to give rest together with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels. 8 With flaming fire he will mete out punishment on those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will undergo the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his strength, 10 when he comes to be glorified among his saints and admired on that day among all who have believed—and you did in fact believe our testimony." (NET)

    There are millions of such ones down through human history.

    The wicked, OTOH are those who had access to the truth and rejected it like the Pharisees did. They saw Jesus' miracles and heard him speak but instead of it moving them to repent, they only wanted to rid themselves of this thorn in their side. Jesus said that "Gehenna" is where these ones were headed.....everlasting death.....no resurrection for them! There will be a resurrection for those who need a first chance to hear the message that Christ preached. (John 5:28-29) Obviously Jesus knows when someone is unrighteous or wicked.
     
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    Since Scripture lets us know that God sent the pre-human heavenly Jesus to Earth, then all of Jesus' life force was sent to Earth. Jesus did Not get back his ' spirit form/body ' until his God resurrected Jesus out of sheol/hades/ grave.
    In other words, Jesus was resurrected back to his heavenly body which he had before God sent Jesus to Earth.
    I find Jesus was clear that the dead are in a sleep-like state at John 11:11-14.
    So, while dead in biblical ' hell ' ( sheol/hades/grave ) Jesus was in an un-conscious state as in harmony with the old Hebrew Scriptures such as Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5.
     
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    Well, now, we are talking about the spirit form. Spirit creatures, just as Jesus' pre-human form, or Satan, the angels etc. don't die, but they can be destroyed, as Satan and his angels will be, but Jesus' in spirit form, that is, Michael, wasn't destroyed, he went to a specific place during those parts of three days. The abyss. Romans 10:6-7
     
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    First of all, I find John 11:11-14 was a real happening.
    The ' rich man ' being addressed in Luke 16:14 illustration are the covetous Pharisees - Luke 16:19.
    As death ends the marriage vow, the ' law and the prophets ' were until John as Jesus says at Luke 16:16.
    Those Pharisees proved themselves Not to be Christ's bride/wife - Luke 16:18
    For to become Christ's bride/wife they must be released from that old Mosaic Law. They did Not want release.
    They proudly professed adherence to the Law of Moses. That Law was to lead them to Messiah.
    It was the humble Jews ( Lazarus common people ) who benefited from Jesus teachings.
    The situation of those figurative two men ( rich man and Lazarus ) was about to take a dramatic change.
    Both the Lazarus or humble people and the rich man die to their former conditions or circumstances.
    They now have ' new ' or changed positions relative to God's favor or disfavor.
    No longer would the ' Lazarus ' humble people be deprived of spiritual food.
    No longer would they have meager spiritual crumbs from the rich man Pharisee table.
    Those rich man Pharisees are Now angry and tormented by Jesus' fiery message.
    So, it is fitting that such a dramatic change does take place especially when Pentecost comes.

    In the resurrection, those who never had the opportunity to learn about Jesus are most likely in the unrighteous category because they never had the opportunity to put faith in Jesus. So, it is Not any ' in between ' but what a person does ' after ' they are resurrected.

    Romans 6:2 is talking about being ' dead to sin ' and Not about a dead person, a person who is literally died.
    Romans 6:7 shows the resurrected are Not judged on works before death but after resurrection.
    Being freed or acquitted does Not make a person as innocent or righteous, but that the sin charges don't stick because of Jesus' ransom.
    There is No double jeopardy, No post-mortem penalty. A person is No longer responsible for what they did.
    The wicked are gone, or as Psalms 92:7 says the wicked are: destroyed forever.
    Those having a resurrection is because of Jesus' faithful death leaves open the possibility for total compassion.
     
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    Not quite sure I follow the above. Jesus went to ' biblical hell ' (KJV) while dead - Acts of the Apostles 2:27.
    That grave would be the ' deep ' or abyss of Romans 10:7; Deuteronomy 30:11-13,15.
    So, that specific place was the grave for the sleeping dead ( sheol/hades /grave )- Psalms 71:19-20; Matthew 12:40.
    I find Revelation 20:7 refers to the abyss as a prison. Jesus was in 'absolute restraint' as an abyss or prison would be restraint because of death, but Not of his destruction. Satan will Not have a resurrection.
    As Hebrews 2:14 B says Jesus will destroy Satan. ALL the wicked destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7.
     
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    You raised a very interesting question.
    Based on what I understand from what the apostle Paul says, I believe since Jesus was now to receive a different body for the purpose of coming to earth as a mortal, his former body (spirit body) would have to die - in whatever way God does that. 1 Corinthians 15:36-40
    So when Jesus was forming in the womb, it was the start of a new life in flesh.
    When he was put to death, God again gave him a different body, only different from the first - according to Paul. 1 Corinthians 15:44-46
    The scriptures say that the holy one would receive a body like Jesus, and their body will be immortal - nonperishable, indestructible - unable to die. 1 Corinthians 15:53
    So whereas Jesus did not have immortality before, but was like all the angels, he now is an immortal spirit - like his father - as the holy ones will be, when they receive their spirit body.
    Hebrews 1:.9; 1 Pet. 1:4; 2 Pet. 1:4
     
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    No. Only the blood of a perfect man without sin could be shed for the equivalent in Adam. Adam was meant to live forever. He was told if he so much as touched the tree he would begin to die. When someone spilled the blood of another the justice dictated the blood of another be spilled. If someone was found murdered outside of town and no one knew who had spilled their blood, causing their death, the town was blood guilty until the blood of a bull was spilled to signify that life was sacred and belonged to Jehovah. (Genesis 9:5-6 / Deuteronomy 21:1-9) No one could pay the price of Adam's blood because all others were a product of the imperfect sin.

    I don't know. Why?
     
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    I don't know what you said 'No' to. Nor do I understand what you said 'I don't know. Why?' in response to. Were you responding to my post?
     
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    No was to your proposition that Jesus' had to die in spirit form. he did not. He only had to sacrifice his perfect sinless blood.

    The I don't know, why? was in response to your statement: "So whereas Jesus did not have immortality before, but was like all the angels, he now is an immortal spirit - like his father - as the holy ones will be, when they receive their spirit body."

    Sometimes people use immortality to mean without beginning or end, without creation. Only Jehovah God is immortal in this sense. So I don't know means I'm not sure what you mean, exactly, by immortality, and why implies it doesn't fit in harmony with scripture if the application to immortality is as such. I was hoping you would explain it rather than me trying to figure it out.
     
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    @nPeace No was to your proposition that Jesus' had to die in spirit form. he did not. He only had to sacrifice his perfect sinless blood.

    The I don't know, why? was in response to your statement: "So whereas Jesus did not have immortality before, but was like all the angels, he now is an immortal spirit - like his father - as the holy ones will be, when they receive their spirit body."

    Sometimes people use immortality to mean without beginning or end, without creation. Only Jehovah God is immortal in this sense. So I don't know means I'm not sure what you mean, exactly, by immortality, and why implies it doesn't fit in harmony with scripture if the application to immortality is as such. I was hoping you would explain it rather than me trying to figure it out, but I was really tired and could have expressed it much better. Sorry.
     
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