shema said:ok I dont see anything that says something about their being multiple heavens either, so that makes us in agreement..there may be different aspects of heaven, for Jesus said, In My fathers house there are many mansions...... Me personally I believe that the kingdom of heaven is already here. It is very complicated for someone who does not study scripture. and each verse in the bible should be read for a specific purpose. The bible makes many references to things coming to pass in the proper time. I believe that the bible in its entirety is well rounded but John stesses how we can obtain salvation and spend eternity with God.
I do see where it shows multiple heavens as it has been spoke of in this thread until the cows come home. I do not believe that the kingdom is here but rather it is in our midst and is coming........... There are way to many verses that show the disciples looking for the kingdom and still others saying that it is on its way............for this to be true then it couldn't already be here. There is one thing that I do agree with you on.............. It is very complicated for one that does not study the scriptures as well as one that does not live and breath them but still even more so for one to not have the guidance of the Spirit to show Truth and understandings of such. I believe that many can read day and night and still not understand what they have read but many think they do. Salvation is one thing and having eternal life yet another but where you will be when this all happens and where you will stay is the question at hand. Some believe as I that it will be in the Kingdom of YAH our Elohim here on earth while still others believe in a heaven far, far away. I find for myself real and true understanding of the one on earth but no where of the far and away.