Scientology

[adthelad]

Anyone got any questions?

 

[adthelad]

No and I'd humbly request that you post links to anti-scientology sources in the debate forum.

 

[adthelad]

I have never encountered Xenu and body thetans in Scientology, though to my detriment I've read all about them on sites attacking Scientology.

Scientology is different to some religions in that you are not asked or supposed to believe anything. You just read what LRH wrote and see how it compares to your experience and whether it is useful or not. I don't believe anything I have no understanding or experience of.

 

[adthelad]

As you are not a Scientologist and debating with me consistently I kindly request you move to a different forum.

 

[Green Gaia]

I have a question. But I asked it here in the debates.

 

[doppelganger]

I have a couple questions. For you, what sets the writings of L. Ron Hubbard apart from other things you've read? What was the inspirational touchstone(s) (if any) that led you to decide to identify yourself as a "Scientologist"?

 

[adthelad]

I have a couple questions. For you, what sets the writings of L. Ron Hubbard apart from other things you've read? What was the inspirational touchstone(s) (if any) that led you to decide to identify yourself as a "Scientologist"?

I realised Hubbard was a genius pretty quickly. The next step was to make sure that he was a good genius rather than an evil one. I read some books which were obviously very positive, very clever and very useful. The one that impressed me most was not Dianetics (which did impress me) but Introduction to Scientology Ethics. As someone who's studied philosophy I realised there was more intelligent and useful thought in each page of the book than in any of the philosophy I studied. So there was enough stuff for me to think it would be worth trying to see if Scientology auditing really works as well as we claim - it did/does. I also read the aims of Scientology - to rid insanity, crime etc from the planet and agreed with them.

A Scientologist is basically someone who knows something can be done about the negative things in our environment, and who does something about them! As a Scientologist I am positively inclined to all religions and to all positive forces on the planet.

 

[doppelganger]

I realised Hubbard was a genius pretty quickly.

How so? What was it that convinced you LHR was a genius? Have you read other things produced by people you deemed geniuses?

The next step was to make sure that he was a good genius rather than an evil one.

What's the difference between a good genius and and evil genius? What did you do to make sure? Wouldn't an evil genius know to be positive, clever and very useful?

There was enough stuff for me to think it would be worth trying to see if Scientology auditing really works as well as we claim - it did/does.

What kind of stuff?

I also read the aims of Scientology - to rid insanity, crime etc from the planet and agreed with them.

How does Scientology specifically propose to do those things?

A Scientologist is basically someone who knows something can be done about the negative things in our environment, and who does something about them!

That's all there is to it?

 

[adthelad]

How so? What was it that convinced you LHR was a genius? Have you read other things produced by people you deemed geniuses?

Well I'm a genius myself in terms of IQ and I've always been able to do pretty much what I wanted. Hubbard is the only guy I had read at the time that I had definitely in a class above me, including people like Einstein and Stephen Hawkins.

What's the difference between a good genius and and evil genius? What did you do to make sure? Wouldn't an evil genius know to be positive, clever and very useful?

The difference is in what they do.

What kind of stuff?

Stuff like him summing up what ethics and morality are all about in a few pages.

How does Scientology specifically propose to do those things?

For those questions you're better off at www.scientology.org and best off reading Dianetics!

 

[Random]

I have questions: what system of social organization does Scientology prefer or promote and why? I mean in terms of democracy, socialism etc? Does the religion affirm the sanctity of the family? What vision for humanity does it have?

 

[adthelad]

I have questions: what system of social organization does Scientology prefer or promote and why? I mean in terms of democracy, socialism etc? Does the religion affirm the sanctity of the family? What vision for humanity does it have?

Scientology promotes social organization by empowering individuals and technology on organization, communication, ethics, study and sanity! It isn't political though.
Yes family is very important, see here:
http://www.scientology.org/en_US/religion/presentation/pg009.html

Vision for humanity here:
http://www.scientology.org/en_US/religion/presentation/pg014.html

 

[Random]

Scientology promotes social organization by empowering individuals and technology on organization, communication, ethics, study and sanity! It isn't political though.
Yes family is very important, see here:
http://www.scientology.org/en_US/religion/presentation/pg009.html

Vision for humanity here:
http://www.scientology.org/en_US/religion/presentation/pg014.html

Thank you, that clarifies the official positions I was asking about. Cheers.

 

[CaptainXeroid]

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[nutshell]

I've heard people have to pay money to progress through the different "levels" of Scientology. Can you please clarify this practice for me?

 

[adthelad]

I've heard people have to pay money to progress through the different "levels" of Scientology. Can you please clarify this practice for me?

http://faq.scientology.org/page36a.htm

That most of the services required donated was something I wondered about at first. Then I realised Scientology would just go broke quite quickly if it didn't cost anything.

Ron wanted us to go the training route which is much cheaper than paying for auditing.

 

[adthelad]

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[Moni_Gail]

One thing I've heard, and didn't give much credence to, but aren't the LRH works that are followed, well, fiction novels?

 

[d.]

One thing I've heard, and didn't give much credence to, but aren't the LRH works that are followed, well, fiction novels?

the content are more or less the same, so it's not easy to tell.

 

[Halcyon]

One thing I've heard, and didn't give much credence to, but aren't the LRH works that are followed, well, fiction novels?

Well, the thing is its subjective.

To Jews and Muslims the Gospel of John is fiction. To Hindus, Jews and Christians the Koran is fiction. To Catholics and Protestants the Book of Mormon is fiction. And to atheists all religious texts are fiction.

Did Hubbard intend these books to be fiction, or did he write them to be religious texts? I think only Hubbard really knew.

 

[DeepShadow]

Did Hubbard intend these books to be fiction, or did he write them to be religious texts? I think only Hubbard really knew.

Heh. Add the fact that a certain deliberately fictional trilogy by George Lucas can now be considered religious texts...who knows? Perhaps one of these days this forum's archive will become a religious text!