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Scientist claims HCQ works good to treat Corona

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by stvdv, Sep 9, 2020.

  1. stvdv

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    Scientist claims HCQ works good to treat Corona

    Within 45sec the first proof is given; so no summary



    Why would WHO fight so hard to disallow HCQ?
    I have a pretty good idea about that
     
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    It doesn't work in spite of one person claiming it does. HCQ is about Trump's lying politics not about medicine and science.
     
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    53 studies show positive results is not nothing
     
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    From another study
    HCQ did not lead to faster symptom improvement among patients who had Covid-19 symptoms...

    And another
    Researchers have now discovered that the concentration of the two drugs in the lungs of Covid-19 patients is not sufficient to fight the virus.

    And another
    Hydroxychloroquine does not work against Covid-19 and should not be given to any more hospital patients around the world, say the leaders of the biggest and best-designed trial of the drug, which experts will hope finally settle the question.

    Yes there are those who say otherwise but the vast majority say it is not effective. I wonder why some people are fighting to allow a non effective drug and so instilling false hope?

    I have a pretty good idea about that
     
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    I know Trump promoted it. I will never trust Trump, because of all his lies.

    So, my fantasy about HCQ and Trump was, that the people who want him to become president, came up with a smart idea to promote HCQ in a time, that people disagreed with it, including WHO, whom all Americans trust (last time I was a bit anti WHO, all got upset with me). So, when Corona is really bad, and then suddenly it appears Trump was right from the beginning, that would be the biggest free promotion stunt you can think of, to get all the people to elect Trump as president, and make him a bit trustworthy (not that that would last long though, bad habits die hard).

    Time will show, I expect Trump to become President.
     
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    Which ever is speaking the truth, it's not so difficult to find out why any of both sides lie (twist facts):)
    It is an interesting time, so many liars are exposed now, especially the billion dollar industries show their $$$-motives
    And understandable, as Corona is a proven billion dollar profit business (billionaires earned already billions in a few month)
     
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    The gov't can't even convince people to do the right thing right now (Where a mask, socially distance), I highly doubt they are capable of something as coordinated and contrived as this. It's as bad as saying the gov't is conspiring to make sure everyone thinks the world is a globe when it is in fact flat....
     
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    I always wondered why people were so against positive results. No matter what is said, it is always "propaganda and political".

    Makes you think they are happy that people are dying and they don't want a solution.
     
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    There have been numerous trials, conducted under numerous different conditions that show wildly differing results. There is also a large amount of differing anecdotal/experiential evidence.

    We do not yet know what the definitive answer to the question is: it might work, it might work only in certain circumstances, it might not work at all or it might be harmful.

    Saying it definitely doesn't work is not scientific though.

    Trump oversold it for political reasons, but rejecting it for political reasons is equally bad.
     
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    Numerous studies have shown it doesn't. At least a few studies were ended abruptly because it was discovered it actually increases the likeliness of death.
    And weve found stuff that works better. Hdroxychloroquin is hyper partisan drivel at this point, as it has been for some time.
     
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    Or just that scientists are trained to understand the difference between reliable trials and unreliable collections of dubious data - and not to get hysterical in the face of an urgent situation.
     
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    If you search hard enough you'll find a scientist who'll say the world is flat and cigarettes are good for you
     
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    That's true, and they're employed by tobacco companies. :)
     
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    I listened to the opening 30 seconds. The speaker lies absurdly in that short space of time, claiming the media are saying hydroxychloroquine is "worse than heroin" etc.

    No media have said anything remotely like that, of course. What has been reported is that there is no evidence hydroxychloroquine is effective. For that reason it is not approved as a treatment. Remember, an ineffective treatment causes death, by making the doctor think it will help the patient, when in fact it won't and another intervention is actually needed to save their life.

    It is already plain from the first seconds of this video that you have been duped by a piece of propaganda. Stick to reputable news sources and you won't go far wrong. If you take your information from crap like this, you will have your brain addled and turn into a fool. Please don't do that;).
     
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    Yes, it was a bit contrived:D

    But I think they were aware of Trump his "stunts", so I think they are smart enough to have some tricks up their sleeves. I mean, that is quite something to make 300 million Americans believe Trump is the one to choose, knowing Trump is a walking Lying machine; you must be deaf and blind to not know that.
     
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    The argument in defense of this I see, is it is better the "Liar you know" is lying than the "Truthful politician" you can't tell if they are lying or not. Which is bat-**** IMO.
     
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    When I was travelling they advised this for malaria, and they did not tell me it might kill me. All people took it, nobody died for many years. Now all of a sudden they claim it might be dangerous, and they induce fear in people that it might kill you. Makes me wonder too.
    For 10 years in India I never got malaria. Once there was malaria, but Sai Baba appeared in my dream and told me to get out immediately, because my immune system was to weak and the malaria that would come next month would kill me. I left immediately, malaria did come and many Westerners ended up in hospital or morgue. I felt a bit guilty that I did not tell others about my dream, but then I thought "nobody would take my dream serious anyway"

    What also makes me wonder, that they suddenly make such a big deal out of a drug they used for so long.
    I can only come up with one answer, and that is $$$...it has been for centuries about the dollar, power and control (mostly all of them)

    HCQ does seem to have a problem though; too cheap. Personally I think we can overcome this minor problem. Become humane, forget about profit and remove Dagobert Duck $$$-signs from your eyes. WHO can't admit now, might cost them a big lawsuit for killing many.

    Yes. I did hear Bill Gates say, that there are too many people on the planet and if growth continue we get major problems. That's clear, they don't want a solution. Also clear they try to instill fear in the masses on purpose. That I can even proof:D. So they do have hidden agendas.
     
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    That is true. First glance at Trump years ago, and I knew.

    I did like Melany Trump giving a speech recently, in which she praised Trump, telling "you know exactly what you get when voting Trump"
     
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    I think historical is when they were saying "You are going to die if you take this drug" after decades of use.

    or

    Doctors who say it is working and people shouting, "Hearsay, false, no proof, hasn't been double blinded tested" when it has only been around for 6 months. They would prefer people dying that trying.
     
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