1. Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Featured Scientific Method is useless in religion?

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by paarsurrey, Oct 19, 2016.

  1. paarsurrey

    paarsurrey Veteran Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 2012
    Messages:
    14,689
    Ratings:
    +1,373
    As its name suggests it is useful in science only. It has not been designed for religion. Right? Please

    Regards
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • Creative Creative x 1
  2. buddhist

    buddhist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2015
    Messages:
    2,952
    Ratings:
    +1,254
    Religion:
    Early Buddhism
    The historical Buddha and early Buddhism is basically all about the scientific method applied to mental and conscious states.
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  3. Jainarayan

    Jainarayan ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2011
    Messages:
    18,534
    Ratings:
    +6,705
    Religion:
    Hinduism, Vaishnava
    The Oxford Dictionaries Online define the scientific method as "a method or procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses".[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

    How can that possibly apply to religion? So I'd say the answer to the question is "yes, the scientific method is useless in religion", at least in religion as traditionally understood.
     
  4. Altfish

    Altfish Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 27, 2014
    Messages:
    5,838
    Ratings:
    +4,885
    Religion:
    Humanist
    Science is the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

    Religion and gods fall outside this definition therefore science has nothing to say about magic.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  5. Sapiens

    Sapiens Polymathematician

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2014
    Messages:
    5,405
    Ratings:
    +2,531
    Religion:
    None
    • Like Like x 1
  6. Native

    Native Natural Philosopher

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2011
    Messages:
    1,245
    Ratings:
    +164
    Religion:
    Shamanism
    Scientific methods is usefull in the cultural religious tellings of creation and this is already taking place in the science of Comparative Regligion and Mythology.
     
  7. Skwim

    Skwim Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2010
    Messages:
    24,210
    Ratings:
    +8,752
    Religion:
    Agnostic
    Gotta say, never having heard of "the science of Comparative Religion and Mythology" before, I Googled it and only came up with references that appeared to have nothing at all to do with the scientific method. "Science" was used in it's most broadest sense, meaning nothing more than a rational study.


    .
     
    #7 Skwim, Oct 19, 2016
    Last edited: Oct 19, 2016
    • Like Like x 1
  8. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Ignorant Heathen Libertarian Capitalist
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    137,085
    Ratings:
    +36,200
    Religion:
    Bokononism
    The scientific method is extremely useful in religion.
    When applied, it helps people become atheists.
    This might sound facetious, but it isn't.
    I know many who took this path.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  9. paarsurrey

    paarsurrey Veteran Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 2012
    Messages:
    14,689
    Ratings:
    +1,373
    I agree with one.
    Comparative study of religions is simply a method . One could say it is an art or equally one could describe it to be science in general terms being rational. For sure it is not a discipline of Science.
    Regards
     
  10. leibowde84

    leibowde84 Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2014
    Messages:
    16,092
    Ratings:
    +5,435
    Religion:
    Agnostic Atheist
    The scientific method is designed for testing and verifying theories. It isn't designed for anything specifically. Of the theory that God exists and has certain characteristics cannot be verified or dismissed through repeated experimentation and observation, that merely means that the theory is unfalsifiable. That doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with the method itself. It means that the theory that God exists is lacking in that it cannot be verified.
     
  11. Brickjectivity

    Brickjectivity holy roly poly
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2012
    Messages:
    22,480
    Ratings:
    +6,459
    Religion:
    Liberal Christian almost quaker
    Science research today is very different from how things were not long ago in Europe when most research was performed under the Patriarch system, usually focused on war technology and did not involve much peer review. A researcher/engineer/doctor would seek a patron to support them. Then their research would be bound to the wishes and religion of their patron. Science now is hopefully a departure from that. Sometimes researchers today do have patrons, however if they want their work to be known then they have to submit it to public discernment, rather than to royal discernment.
     
    #11 Brickjectivity, Oct 19, 2016
    Last edited: Oct 19, 2016
  12. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2008
    Messages:
    43,751
    Ratings:
    +12,959
    Religion:
    Advocate of letting go of theism. Buddhist with an emphasis on personal understanding.
    Religion may and should be studied by science (mainly anthropology).

    Whether religion itself as a place for the scientific method will depend a lot on how that religion is defined and practiced. Generally speaking, though, one of the main reason for having religion is to provide answers that science does not.
     
  13. sun rise

    sun rise "Let there be peace and love among all"
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2014
    Messages:
    29,412
    Ratings:
    +10,827
    Religion:
    Love
    And it's helped me as a believer because it illuminates the beauty and precision of God's world.
     
  14. sun rise

    sun rise "Let there be peace and love among all"
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2014
    Messages:
    29,412
    Ratings:
    +10,827
    Religion:
    Love
    I agree in that sense - religion and science are orthogonal to each other.
     
  15. DawudTalut

    DawudTalut Peace be upon you.

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2008
    Messages:
    4,851
    Ratings:
    +1,351
    Religion:
    Islam DIR
    Peace be on you.

    If you mean this:

    [​IMG]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

    Data and observation reveal that a true religion brought by a noble human with words of God [when he stands alone against the rooted evils of society, and he announces the prophecy he will win at the end] ultimately spreads..........It has been becoming true everytime and anywhere.... In this way it is scientific.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  16. ENTP Logician

    ENTP Logician Advocate for Reason

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2016
    Messages:
    92
    Ratings:
    +33
    Religion:
    None
    Incorrect.

    It is only "Useless" in religion because if used on religion it shows religious belief to be irrational.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  17. ENTP Logician

    ENTP Logician Advocate for Reason

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2016
    Messages:
    92
    Ratings:
    +33
    Religion:
    None
    No its not.

    Anyone can say they received the words of a deity.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  18. ENTP Logician

    ENTP Logician Advocate for Reason

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2016
    Messages:
    92
    Ratings:
    +33
    Religion:
    None
    How do you feel about the fact that science has shown that the universe would still be the same if there was no deity?
     
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
  19. lewisnotmiller

    lewisnotmiller Grand Hat
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2013
    Messages:
    14,333
    Ratings:
    +6,970
    Religion:
    Atheist
    Scientific method is always useful. However, it commonly lacks the truthiness of religion...
     
    • Funny Funny x 4
  20. Quintessence

    Quintessence Tale Weaver
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2011
    Messages:
    19,024
    Ratings:
    +11,728
    Religion:
    Druidry
    Well... I utilize the sciences all the darned time in my religion. Pursued a graduate degree in a science because of my religion and as a way of expressing devotion to the gods. So... no, it's not useless in religion? At all?
     
    • Like Like x 2
Loading...