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Featured Scientific evidence and Bible prophecies.

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by Xavier Graham, Jun 5, 2022.

  1. Subduction Zone

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    Okay,, then what reasonable test would show that your claim is wrong? Or on the other hand, what reasonable test would show that interpretation of the prophecy to be wrong?
     
  2. paarsurrey

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    It is simple, "Sign of Jonah" is not a mechanism to make one god, if it did not make Jonah a god, it won't anybody else. Right?

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    Sorry. That makes no sense.
     
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    Just to add:
    "During his lifetime, Jesus himself didn't call himself God and didn't consider himself God, and ... none of his disciples had any inkling at all that he was God. You do find Jesus calling himself God in the Gospel of John, or the last Gospel."
    If Jesus Never Called Himself God, How Did He Become One?
    https://www.npr.org › 2014/04/07 › if-jesus-never-called-...
     
  5. WonderingWorrier

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    If the word of god comes out of the mouth of a prophet is he still considered a man or is he god?
    Or is he part man part god?

    Could it be like a glass of water seen as either half empty or half full. That opposite seeming views can both be considered as correct.

    Like the same glass could be viewed as half full of air, or half empty of air.
     
  6. paarsurrey

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    Wasn't Jonah a Prophet, please? Right?
    Wasn't Noah a Prophet, please? Right?

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    I accept a prophet based on their ability to speak accurate prophecy.
    Prophecy being the putting of words into specific positions.

    So with Jonah he was in the fish (of the sea) and he went to Nineveh a place of wickedness and a place of cattle.

    I have an understanding of that which I have learned from other prophecies.

    Group1 - Group2 - Group3
    Brass - Silver - Gold.
    Sea - River - Stream
    Cattle - Goats - Sheep


    The fish of the sea are lowest level. Jonah was in the belly of hell.

    "And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice". Jonah.



    As cattle are in hell. The lowest level.

    Group1 - Group2 - Group3
    Cattle - Goats - Sheep

    "And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats". Ezekiel.



    Muhammad shows understanding the cattle of hell.

    And We shall drive the sinners to Hell, like thirsty cattle driven down to water. Quran

    Or thinkest thou that most of them listen or understand? They are only like cattle;- nay, they are worse astray in Path. Quran.

    Many are the Jinns and men we have made for Hell: They have hearts wherewith they understand not, eyes wherewith they see not, and ears wherewith they hear not. They are like cattle,- nay more misguided: for they are heedless (of warning). Quran



    The cattle in the corn.

    Group1 - Group2 - Group3
    Cattle - Goats - Sheep
    Corn - Oil - Wine

    "For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?". Corinthians.



    There is the fish of the sea, then there is the fish of the river.


    Group1 - Group2 - Group3
    Sea - River - Stream
    Corn - Oil - Wine
    Cattle - Goats - Sheep
    Desert - Wilderness - Mount.


    The river is oil. The river is goat.

    Then will I make their waters deep, and cause their rivers to run like oil, saith the Lord God. Ezekiel.

    And I will leave thee thrown into the wilderness, thee and all the fish of thy rivers: thou shalt fall upon the open fields; thou shalt not be brought together, nor gathered: I have given thee for meat to the beasts of the field and to the fowls of the heaven. Ezekiel.

    And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness. Leviticus.


    It is interesting that there is something part fish that is also part goat in the wilderness.




    Regarding Noah I had already accepted the sea was made to be higher than the Earth.

    Iron - Brass - Silver - Gold
    Earth - Sea - River - Stream

    The Ark has three levels.
    Noah reached mountain and drank wine.

    Wine does comes from the mountain.
    Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt. Amos

    As the valley is covered with corn
    The pastures are clothed with flocks; the valleys also are covered over with corn; they shout for joy, they also sing. Psalm.

    Group1 - Group2 - Group3
    Valley - Hill - Mountain
    Corn - Oil - Wine.


    I'm not sure if anyone can understand what I'm trying to explain. It is difficult to explain words that can't be heard. I understand trying to explain nonsense could sound like nonsense.

    When reading the Bible I encountered word coincidences that kept happening with different words so I started writing the coincidences down and realised the words were in grouping pattern.


    So there is a method to identifying prophets.
    Do not listen to their words. Follow them. See if the pattern can be heard.

    All so called prophets can be sorted into those that speak the pattern and those that dont.
     
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    Slavery had a legitimate reason in the economy and social security of Israel and was something that was acceptable in the surrounding cultures and no doubt by the Hebrews and it would have been hard anyway to stop it even if God wanted to. The best thing no doubt was to legislate on it to define terms and practices. These of course should be understood in relation to the other laws on how the Israelites should treat each other and those of other nationalities.
     
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    The forsaking of Jesus by His Father is part of Jesus dying as a curse and to take the place of sinners.
    This death was prophesied hundreds of years before Jesus.
     
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    That Jesus would give the sign of the prophet Jonah is something that Jesus said He would do. See your red letter Bible.
     
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    It does not prove Jesus was God but it shows that God approved of Jesus. The resurrection was a declaration by God that Jesus was in fact the Lord.
     
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    The ownership came with benefits for the owner and responsibilities of the owner. The owner did not want to lose his possession or harm it so it would not be productive.
    But yes, ownership as viewed from our perspective, seems over the top. But in those days it may have been the best legal structure to use.
     
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    I see. So you are saying that God is either not omnipotent or he is immoral.
     
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    WonderingWorrier said:
    If the word of god comes out of the mouth of a prophet is he still considered a man or is he god?
    Or is he part man part god?


    Could it be like a glass of water seen as either half empty or half full. That opposite seeming views can both be considered as correct.

    Like the same glass could be viewed as half full of air, or half empty of air.
    " It does not prove Jesus was God"

    Thanks for acknowledgement that Jesus was not god, no human could be god, one understands. Right?
    Jesus did not die a cursed death on the Cross in the first place, so there is no question of his resurrection from the dead. Right?

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    It sounds like you are suggesting that God should force people to do what is right.
    It sounds like you are saying that things that others do wrong are actually done by God.
    It sounds like you just entirely disagree that slavery, as carried out in those days, had any benefits for society or the slave or the one who had the slave.
     
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    I did not say that Jesus was not God, I said that the resurrection does not prove that He is God.
    But you are right that if Jesus did not die a cursed death on the cross then He did not rise from the dead after that death.
    The OT does tell us however that the Messiah would die in atonement for sins and rise to life again.
    False prophets often deny that and deny that Jesus died and rose again and people believe them instead of what the Bible tells us.
     
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    Read your OT. He had all sorts of rules that he expected people to keep. Why not such an obvious humane one?
     
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    My guess is that slavery at the time was beneficial. Just as God allowed divorce, which was not His perfect will for His people, He understood that the people would not be able to follow a strict no divorce rule so the next best thing was to make rules around it, as with slavery.
    In both cases there were benefits also no doubt. With divorce it probably stopped a lot of domestic violence and with slavery it was beneficial for the economy and the social security of the slaves.
     
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    No. Once again, if a God can make rules about fashion he can surely make rule banning slavery.
     
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    Regarding earth plus heavens both natural in space with no human.

    No science. No thesis. Only humans state science.

    Two natural very different space types by mass and by history as accumulated presence. Within space. Not comparable the history.

    A thinking human not using science can easily think about that status.

    Ego controls a self belief. Egotists find it difficult to believe non self presence as a thinker. Yet they should.

    Say you theory of electricity was first. Yet you say it as a human only. First for machines.

    Where is it naturally?

    It doesn't exist.

    Machines however by design says a human invented it's presence. So we say as a human not as God .....no electricity exists. God exists.

    A human knowing spirituality would not infer electricity to life living in a heavens. Knowing electricity fries a human to death when not switched off.

    So then theists want you to believe themes about yourself. False preach stories to want you to believe.

    Such as you're God or you're an alien. As I claim God types changed from mass first into a human by evolved.

    Yet garden nature trees of a high carbon mass body are rooted into that God ground. Not humans. We aren't connected.

    By just humans thoughts as stories.

    Hence we get forced to interject human reason. To defend our rights to exist naturally. Versus human theism. Using both natural observation added onto by calculus.

    As if we first don't exist by their thoughts only. Not by observation however which humans taught is man of sciences first position.

    So a human natural says gods terms invent lightning in our heavens. Not as electricity in reactions that stop. .... Dangerous.

    A theist who doesn't want to die says I'll theory about getting electricity as less lightning. The mass as less place was actually coal burnt.

    If a theist said I am God I created lightning myself by a humans thesis... they would claim then I create invent by adding into the lightning mass to get a theme humans god creation of electricity. As just lightning only as God heavens had reacted it actual.

    By extra lightning. As it's first natural heavens position observed...reacted light he said electrical light. It should be named lightnings light. So he doesn't get confused by words.

    And just happen to fry us all to death as no man as a theist or a machine owner is a God.

    Science evidence the same as God evidence seen as first position natural body.

    Conversion was mans science. Intent.

    Reason. No machine exists first in any thesis. Intent is natural position.
     
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