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Featured Science ... NOT God ...

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by NewGuyOnTheBlock, Jul 31, 2019.

  1. Jollybear

    Jollybear Hey

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    Near dont mean much because of course wed not know about there experiences unless they returned to there body.

    Also, its just a term. Some people have no brain activity in there experiences.

    Also, another reason near dont mean much is due to "veridical NDEs".
     
  2. NewGuyOnTheBlock

    NewGuyOnTheBlock Cult Survivor

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    Logically correct. But it is a much more plausible explanation that the cause of NDEs is connected to a phenomenon we CAN observe as opposed to a phenomenon we CAN'T observe; adn that phenomenon involving something else we can't observe. Provide evidence of a soul, and then we can go from there.

    Ah, yes! The mysteries of the human brain! Cool stuff!

    I accept "verdical NDEs" as a "probably true" phenomenon in the aspect that sometimes, people perceive things that defy current scientific explanation. I have experienced such phenomenon first hand. So yeah; there is something to that; something science does not yet understand (and perhaps never will ... if you like, start a thread on the topic, point me to it, and I'll go further into this, as well as my hypothesis/guess. I'll encapsulate by stating that I do think sometimes these cases of ESP, etc. have a basis in truth; but that this does not rule out naturalistic explanations, even if we don't yet know what those naturalistic explanations are).

    In the cases of verdigal NDE, there seems to be more to it than just simple hallucinations; but that doesn't mean that the vanilla "Hey, I was drawn towards the light" NDEs remain hallucinations (which is the most probable explanation).

    But without reproduceability, evidence of soul, or evidence of any other natural or supernatural phenomenon which can conclusively show that verdical NDEs are explained by the soul leaving the body, then we are stuck with the uncomfortable conclusion that: "We don't know how sometimes people seem to perceive things that defy scientific explanation". Not, "Hey, we don't know why, so it must be the soul!"
     
  3. gnostic

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    That's just faith and speculation talking.

    I could turn what you say around, and say that "...just because you say there is a soul or believe there is a soul, doesn't there is a soul".

    I used to believe in the soul, the New Testament and Christian teaching of the afterlife, but in the last almost 20 years now, I questioned its very existence.

    And with each year passing by, I am more convince as ever about the soul.

    To me, the soul is just a metaphoric for the self, for our character, emotion and behavior, and for our thoughts and memory.
     
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