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Featured Science In The Bible

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by tosca1, May 15, 2019.

  1. Dan From Smithville

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    So the Bible could tell us all this "sciencey stuff", but failed to tell us anything about dinosaurs or the magical change in digestion physiology, coupled with the magical development of all the traits necessary to make the jump from herbivory to carnivory. Thank goodness that AIG is there to fill in those gaps.
     
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  2. exchemist

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    I think possibly the most ludicrous bit of Genesis, from a science viewpoint, is that day and night are said to have been created on the first day (Gen 1:3) before the sun on the fourth day (Gen 1:14). [​IMG]


    But, to be serious for a moment, the Genesis accounts (two of them, which contradict one another) have been recognised as allegorical from the time of Origen, as I'm sure you are aware.
     
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    You would.
     
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    I have always thought that sounds like abiogenesis though, the "dust of the Earth" being the inorganic starting materials from which life arose. The only question is how this came about. The scientifically educated Christian would see this as happening through the operation of the (God-given) "laws of nature" , rather than by some series of miraculous events.

    The creationist (or "jerk", as he is known in scientific parlance:D) would see it as requiring a whole series of miraculous interventions.
     
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    But hang on. That process is evolution!!!:eek:
     
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    Abraham, suddenly? Non sequitur prize of the month? o_O
     
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    Even Gypsy Rose Lee can't be wrong all the time.

    Or a monkey in a multiple choice exam.
     
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  8. tosca1

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    I'm not talking about our physical existence. I'm talking about the universe. It doesn't matter how it began. Right now, that's where it stands.

    So I gather, you're not an evolutionist?
     
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    Kind of, like, yer know, a sorta animal, like?
     
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    Simplistic? Why can't an answer be simple?
    Who sez an answer has to be complicated for it to be right?

    The simplistic answer given in the article isn't wrong. It was well-explained.
    Good thing for that! You just didn't get it right.......like you also didn't get my simple follow-up.

    Here is as simple as I can explain it:

    You brought up the great dane and the chihuahua.
    I've added that obviously - when God said animals of the same kinds also include animals of the same kind........ that CAN!

    You think the great dane and the chihuahua didn't know that?
    Theirs would just have to be platonic. :)
     
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    So that would make ring species the work of the Devil, presumably: Ring species - Wikipedia
     
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  12. tosca1

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    :roll eyes:

    AND?
    Just because there's an attempt, doesn't mean it can.Take a good look again.
    I've also seen dogs try to do a post.....or, a person's leg.

    Let me know how their kid looks like.
     
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    Yeah, I know what you mean now. "when you bring up the issue of origins with evolution every pro-evolutionist on the forum pretty much shuts down," ....they get into defensive-mode!
    Big time. All-hands-on-deck mode! No kidding. I agree! It's fascinatingly humorous.
    It's like they got poked with a hot wire or something. How strange......

    They don't get the connection - or, they don't want to have that connection.
    Maybe, because origin is just another darn hard thing to explain, on top of what's already so darn hard to explain (macroevolution)! You could almost hear the groanings across the computer. :D
    They want origin and evolution neatly separated, and "compartmentalized."
    And here we come putting a connection to both! Lol. Of course, heads will be spinning! [​IMG]




    The responses here from most non-believers/evolutionists are practically the same in other forums.
    That's why I've said in another thread that, it's expected.


    And I'm not just talking about the reactions. I'm talking about their posts! The commonality between them makes it seem that they're mining from the same source.
    Most likely from the same new-atheist site.

    A lot of them are so darn the same that I even tend to give a standard response (other forums). Hey, kinda like, one size fits all ! :)



    Actually, you gave me an idea that deserves a separate thread.
    Let me work on it (when I get the time).
    It won't be long coming, I promise.
     
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    ...not to mention homosexual, too :eek: : List of animals displaying homosexual behavior - Wikipedia
     
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    And? What's your point?
     
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    I don't believe in theistic evolution, either.
    I'm just putting myself in the shoes of evolutionists who can connect the Bible with science.

    When I discuss with non-believers - I try to do it within their "comfort zones."
    They think the Bible is just full of myths.

    They point to science as their voice of "authority" - so, I meet them on that ground.
    Take away science from them - they've got nothing to stand on!
     
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    No, I don't distort the passage.
    I'm looking at it through the lens of an evolutionist. I made that clear in the OP.

    There are scientists who do see them that way - they can reconcile the Scriptures with science. Some do it through what they call, "DAY-AGE THEORIES."



    Day-age creationism - Wikipedia
     
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    So explain to me in simple terms what a kind is because the link is a fail, according to its definition 2 types of dog can't be the same kind. Shouldn't be too hard for someone as clever as you.
     
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    In Genesis, they are the CREATED kinds. As to what exactly were they - we don't know.

    What Are “Kinds” in Genesis?



    Well, I don't know how much more simple it has to be.
    Read it again. My follow-up too, should be good. The dogs know. lol.

    If you can't understand it - what more can I say? :shrug:
     
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    Evolution was not the issue concerning the hypothetical beginnings of the universe and or physical existence, It is confusing that you are associating evolution with the question of beginnings of the universe.

    I am scientist, and the science of evolution has been demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt.

    Any comparison between Genesis and science is highly interpretive and anecdotal.
     
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