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Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by Thief, Oct 23, 2018.

  1. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    I'm posting here as someone else has failed to see.....the science

    anyone else ?...failing to see Genesis as an experiment
     
  2. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    What do you mean by Genesis?

    It's kind of vague. Biblical Genesis? The natural emergence of life?
     
  3. LiveByFaithNotSight

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    Posting walls of plagiarized text is against forum rules. Hell, posting any plagiarized material is against forum rules.


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    But where is the 'science' in Genesis? Science, as a methodology, wasn't to be invented for 2,000 years.

    Genesis is folklore, and you're being apophenic. You can always find some true statements, or statements that can be interpreted to refer to some later scientific discovery, in folklore. There's no mysterious insight here.
     
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  6. LiveByFaithNotSight

    LiveByFaithNotSight The Art Of Conversing

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    I changed it to a link is that ok? I'm genuinely asking
     
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    Yes it is.

    Thanks for observing the rules.


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  8. LiveByFaithNotSight

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    np at all bro
     
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  9. Axe Elf

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    The serpent proposed an experiment: Try the forbidden fruit and see if it makes you like God yourself. Adam and Eve performed the experiment, and failed to disprove the null hypothesis. It really wasn't very good science (there were no double blind controls for the effects of permitted fruits, for instance), but it was science, nonetheless.
     
  10. Valjean

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    Serpent? Fruit? Are you basing this apology on folklore?
    Experiment? What hypothesis had been proposed for testing?

    Making choices and experiencing the results isn't science, it's just life. My cat does it all the time, but I wouldn't call her a scientist.
     
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    There is nothing scientific about people with physical bodies which live forever, nothing scientific about talking snakes, and nothing scientific about apples changing the laws of physics such that suddenly physical creatures go from being immortal to ageing decaying and dying.
     
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  12. Valjean

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    He argues from the assumption that the folklore is authoritative and correct.
     
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    Genesis is not about a literal formation of the universe. Rather it is about the evolution of modern human consciousness, and how that new consciousness perceived the universe. Let there be light is about the dawning of a new type of human consciousness. Consciousness is symbolized by light.

    As an analogy, the former planet Pluto was discovered in 1930. Pluto always existed, but it was not part of human awareness until 1930. There is no mention of Pluto until 1930, so in the sense it was not there until then. Genesis reflects the dawning of a new human awareness in terms of questions about the universe, life and consciousness that began about 6000 year ago.

    According to science, 6000 years go coordinates with an important invention, which was the invention of writing. This invention was critical to the development of the modern human mind. Genesis was the first published theory of cosmology and evolution. It became the foundation of science.

    Before the invention of written language, the human mind stayed in a natural flux. As an analogy, consider going to school where there is no written materials. Everything is done word of mouth and memory, but with no materials to learn, read and study. The problem with this is memory atrophies with time and different people remember the same thing differently. The natural human brain stays in flux and nothing remains permanent. Even if someone came up with a theory of cosmology, it would change or be forgotten after a generation or two.

    The invention of writing changed the natural brain, since it allowed things to be carved into stone, so one had a tool to refresh memory and study things in a consistent way, for good or bad. Writing caused a type of repression and damming of the human brain. This increased the potential of the brain and stimulated the imagination as a way to release the tension. Genesis is mostly about changes that occur as humans gain willpower and lose their natural natures.

    The Tree of knowledge of good and evil is law. Law and writing were a combinations of things that alters the human mind in a way that caused humans to depart from natural; original sin. The natural brain would forget and modify, but writing caused bad ideas to outlive themselves thereby adding repression to the natural brain. The sacred texts of the bible places the brain in a different time so we can witness the changes and use this as a foundation for furthering change.
     
  14. Thief

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    the mystery is in the telling of the story.....
    picture yourself at campfire......sooooooo long ago

    and the Old Man tells you that someone named Adam was laid to a deep sleep
    and a rib cut from him

    oh oh................and he did not die........????????

    we know now that such a thing could happen

    but how do you reconcile your belief?????
    listening to an Old Man that has no proof
     
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    you're on to it.....but not quite

    after altering the body and mind of the specimens......
    a proving was needed

    the alteration was intended to redirect the Course of Man
    did that alteration take hold?

    yes

    Man would now be that creature....curious .....
    even if death is the penalty and pending
     
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    I guess I thought Valjean was just playing along at first--but it appears that a lesson on science is in order.

    Anytime someone tries something and observes the results, they are doing science (in its most rudimentary form). Rigorous science requires additional controls and replications, but at it's root, science is the practice of observing the effects of some action.

    So Noah was doing science when he tested the hypothesis that he was one day going to need a really big boat. Cain was doing science when he tested the hypothesis that God would be more accepting of his sacrifice if he got rid of his competition (Abel). Eve was doing science when she tested the hypothesis proposed by the serpent; namely, that she would become like God if she ate the forbidden fruit. Lot's wife was doing science when she tested the hypothesis that she could defy God's command to not look back upon the destruction of Sodom and Gamorrah without something really bad happening. So there is all kinds of science in Genesis.

    Whether these were real people and/or real events is irrelevant, since we're not talking about science in the real world, we're talking about science in Genesis. If we were talking about science in Cinderella, we could point to the prince testing the hypothesis that whoever's foot fit the golden slipper was the hottie-boom-bottie who made his night at the prom.
     
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    That's pretty good! (I may use this in a public speech.)

    All failed experiments, but they were 'testing'!
     
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    Oh, I wouldn’t be too sure of that.

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    WOW!!! :eek:
    Doc used his claws like scalpel, and will slice you up...and will slice you up good!

    Ooooo... :flushed:

    And if he can’t fix your liver, he’d just eat it.

    *gasp* :screamcat:

    His motto is “Use it, or lose it.”
     
  20. Thief

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    I like science....I really do....

    but this display is not science
    it's just humans doing what humans do....and suffering the consequence for having done so

    but of course....what happened to Adam would have science in it
    selected specimen
    ideal living conditions
    anesthesia
    surgery
    cloning
    genetic manipulation on the clone specimen to have a female

    after that.....the experiment turns to testing of spirit
    yes a test
    but of mind and heart

    then a release of the specimens into the environment

    THEN the fun begins
     
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