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Strobel is an idiot, science can't prove or disprove these things, who knows if it is placebo or the power of suggestion or not? It is just a waste of time to try to prove it or disprove it. Like when people try to use science to disprove or prove the concept of god, it's just not a scientific subject
Sure, but you are grounded enough to realize that your hopes are unrealistic, and you are essentially just whistling in the wind. What happens with religion is that people start to believe the BS and think that their woo actually does have a realistic chance of having their intended effect.
My hope for social justice is not mere whistling in the wind, even if I don't see what is beyond the horizon, my hope compels to work towards a more just world and it is my faith that strengthens me in that work
Do you prefer trolling atheists or theists?
Your hope is whistling in the wind if it does not become work in the real world. Your hope will not magically cause world peace to happen because you wish it so. That is the point. I'm thankful that you recognize that your dreams for social justice will not be realized by simply praying for it, but by actually doing work in the real world to make it happen.
So, in other words, you don't even have faith in prayer because what should have consistent positive results isn't (as improved or decreased health is tangible and measurable) and so you have to rush to its rescue and try to say its not really something science can study. It has. The results overall aren't flattering for the alleged healing lower of prayer.
No, you are only telling us what your version of intercessory prayer is. Once again there are countless different sects of Christianity, all with their own beliefs. If you want to claim that your version is the official "right" version then the burden of proof is upon you. Until you do that (and in a different thread please) you have moved the goalposts since the OP was talking about different results from intercessory prayer than you are.
You could not even support your claims by linking and quoting the supposed study. Until you do at least that you do not even have a study.
How? Everything I said was true. You've been arrogantly denying all the subsequent and previous studies not finding anything and the meta-analyses people have linked here. You've only been interested in what Lee Strobel has to say - confirmation bias. And, this has turned into a humorous mocking thread. As a peace offering to you, intercessory prayer has not been substantiated in science, however, that does not mean it does not exist. Fine, you think it exists and I don't. Let's just leave it at that: no scientific basis and based on opinion.
It's already been linked by someone else. Get a new dog that hunts.
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They are inconclusive. And logical conclusion is that these studies are waste.
No dude, every Christian know what intercessory is because there is a model for it called The Lord's Prayer and it what I described as intercessory prayer fit exactly inside that model. Go look it up yourself.
Charlie I have to confess that I did indeed cite your thread about "uncertain believers" when I went on a rant about how the "spiritual but not religious" are a bunch of thieves
You do not seem to understand the burden of proof. Why don't you link it again? Is it because you know that it is a poor study that has been refuted? If I have a valid study I have no problem linking it again and again. And are you talking about the piece of garbage that someone linked that was not a scientific study? There was not even an abstract for the one that I saw.