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Featured Science and atheism inconsistent?

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by atanu, Mar 30, 2019.

  1. ecco

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    You failed to address the following...
     
  2. THE HOOD APOLOGIST

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    I understand if you don't get it. It's ok, no worries:peace:
     
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  3. ChristineM

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    Oh i got it as i child i grew up
     
  4. THE HOOD APOLOGIST

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    I see my post went right over your head. It's ok, no worries:airplane:
     
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    What evidence is that?
     
  6. THE HOOD APOLOGIST

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    I speak English. I use a dictionary that defines words that I speak in English. You can use what you want and define terms as you wish, that's your prerogative. As for me, I use what I use:peace:
     
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  7. THE HOOD APOLOGIST

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    Evidence for God isn't the point of my post. The point was people are misunderstanding the definition of evidence. But I'd gladly post my evidence in a thread with that as the topic:D
     
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    Please, forgive me.

    This sounds wonderful. I've been waiting for strong evidence so that I can stop being such a depressing atheist :)
     
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  9. shunyadragon

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    Nonetheless you are being difficult using layman terms when the discussion involves science and logic. The discussion is science consistent with atheism. If you wish to discuss the issue of Science in the subject of the thread, science has no concept of proof.

    The evidence you provided is subject to much misuse by personal preference by layman. I prefer to use objective verifiable evidence to refer to a more useful meaningful definition that cannot be confused. Proof in these discussions refer to how it is applied to math and logic, and avoid layman generalisations.
     
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  10. shunyadragon

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    Your misquoting me Ontological Naturalism implies atheism. Methodological Naturalism is foundation of science that represents the basis for the knowledge and belief in Ontological Naturalism.
     
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    broad or narrow a rose by any other name is still the same.
    but atheists have belief systems
     
  12. charlie sc

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    That are?
     
  13. Bird123

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    This is a two edge sword. You must not leave out the other half. Science considers all possibilities. While science does not justify non-beliefs, they do not believe blindly either.

    Must not one who wants to Discover the Real Truth be open to All possibilities? On the other hand, how many are really seeking Truth??
     
  14. shunyadragon

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    atheism, Buddhist atheism, ie Zen, and at least forms of Pantheism.
     
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    I know that atheism is a belief but he said system of beliefs(plural). Therefore, I took that as ideology.

    Atheism is not an ideology. If you become an atheist, you don't automatically become a Buddhist or a pantheist, nor if you remove Buddhism or Pantheism does it change atheism in any manner :p
    So, can you explain to me how atheism, by itself, is an ideology?

    Perhaps, we're taking past each other and you're describing what you can possibly become if you're an atheist. Yes, I think that's what you mean. Right?
     
  16. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    So?
     
  17. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    My mistake - ontological naturalism. Regardless, atheism does not imply any sort of naturalism.

    Any worldview that does not include any gods is an atheist worldview, whether it's a "naturalistic" worldview or not.
     
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    Of which none of these, have anything to do with science.

    Atheism, theism and agnosticism are not science, PERIOD.

    They are each a different position in theology, relating to the existence or nonexistence of any deity...so none of them are positions in science.

    Science is a tool of acquiring knowledge through observations and experiments - hence the knowledge will -

    (A) either be tested false and therefore the hypothesis is improbable and refuted,

    (B) or be tested true and therefore have the probability of being verified and validated the hypothesis.​

    There is a third possible outcome or (C), where there are no evidences whatsoever, good or bad, hence “absence of evidences”. With the absence of evidences result, the hypothesis should be treated the same as false, therefore refuted and should be discarded, like point (A).

    Creationism (including the Intelligent Design BS) frequently falls under the (C) category, and be branded as pseudoscience and should be treated as being no better than fables and fairytale.

    Creationism, like theism, atheism and agnosticism, has nothing to do with science.,
     
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    Based on this response I believe it is a disagreement and not a misrepresentation.
     
  20. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    So you really do think that all atheists are materialists?
     
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