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Schwarzenegger Vows Gay Marriage Bill Veto

Discussion in 'Political Debates' started by Theodore, Sep 8, 2005.

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  1. Mr Spinkles

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    Theodore--

    Actually, the exact opposite is true.

    Amendment IX of the U.S. Constitution states: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." (From http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am9 )

    That means that just because the Constitution doesn't say "You have the right to marry a same-sex partner" or "You have the right to eat mayonnaise" doesn't mean you don't have that right.
     
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  2. Jaymes

    Jaymes The cake is a lie

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    I hope you're right, Deut.

    I really hope you're right. I don't want any future generations to feel the need to prove that their relationship is just the same as any other and feel heartsick and ready to throw up when they're told that they don't deserve to be able to marry who they love, that they can just marry the opposite sex if they want to.
     
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  3. huajiro

    huajiro Well-Known Member

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    I am completely surprised at people's desire to affect other peoples' lives, when it has nothing to do with them.
     
  4. Theodore

    Theodore Member

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    Just because I don't believe that homosexuality is moral, doesn't mean I hate or even dislike gay people. I discipline my children when I have to but that doesn’t mean I don’t love them.

    Working in San Francisco, I work with and tolerate homosexuals daily. We all get along just fine. I don’t hate anybody.:)
     
  5. Flappycat

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    Keep your god out of my life.

    And people like you are making it worse!


    I find YOU morally repugnant, but that doesn't mean I want to take away your right to live!


    Mob rule, is it? If the majority wanted to burn Christians at the stake, then, I suppose you'd line up to be torched? The majority is wrong! A majority will not stop me from defending what I believe is right, and a majority does not make your views any less evil and repugnant. I'm not going to let you use the mob to hide from the evil within yourself. You are wrong!


    This is just insulting. You're basically trashing on a homosexual couple's ability to raise a child even though there are homosexual couples out there who are ten times the parent that you could ever hope to be.


    A bigot provides a morally corrupt example to the child, and they should never be trusted around children. You just called me "morally corrupt," and I insist that you take it back.


    Oh, so you're a child psychologist now? Where's your degree? Every statistic I've read says quite the contrary. One statistic I read actually finds that males raised in the care of lesbians are actually less sexually adventurous than they would have been if raised in the care of heterosexual parents.


    I draw the line when it comes to anything affecting my own lifestyle, and no amount of absolutely lame rationalization will convince me that this deprivation of my rights is the work of any but the most horrible sort of person.
     
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  6. jamaesi

    jamaesi To Save A Lamb

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    It's hard to prove something that is false.
     
  7. Green Gaia

    Green Gaia Veteran Member

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    You just find us "morally repugnant, morally corrupt and repulsive". :rolleyes:
     
  8. Jaymes

    Jaymes The cake is a lie

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    Exactly! You don't have to hate to sneer down your nose at the morally corrupt homos.
     
  9. Theodore

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    Gay marriage is not a right, so you aren’t being denied any “rights”. And I certainly do have the right to voice my opinion along with the majority to form public policy.
    Have you ever heard the phrase “Hate the sin but love the sinner” (I don’t really like it either but it applies here). While I find homosexuality repugnant and morally offensive, I do not hate or dislike gay people.

    We all have our imperfections. If I went and had an affair with another woman, and my wife didn’t find out, would that be OK? Lets see, nobody got hurt and it’s none of anybodies else’s business. Then it’s fine right? No, it would still be morally wrong.

    I’m not calling for a condemnation of homosexuality or the people who practice it; but I will not publicly support it either.
     
  10. michel

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    Insensitive - is that a description of someone who uses a sledge hammer to crack a nut?
    I think that is one of the most horrendously premeditated insults I have heard; this thread has been going long enough for Theodore to understand the import of what he just said.:mad:
     
  11. jamaesi

    jamaesi To Save A Lamb

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    Marriage is a human right.


    Because a loving committed homosexual relationship is just like cheating on your wife.

    No wonder heterosexual marriage is so messed up now.
     
  12. Theodore

    Theodore Member

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    It doesn't mean you do either.
     
  13. Jaymes

    Jaymes The cake is a lie

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    Bullcrap. Black people had the right to marry other black people, so why would they want to marry a white person? Oh, but that's different, because it's a man and a woman.

    As a human I have the right to marry another consenting adult that I love. Not a man I'd be in an unhappy an unsatisfied relationship with, but the woman I love with all my heart. To sit there and tell me I don't have the right as any other legally married couples simply because we share the same genitals is beyond words.

    Does gender even really matter? When you get down to it, this body is a shell. I would be me if I had a penis, neither, hell, even both. To place so much emphasis on something as trivial as how someone pees is ridiculous.

    I would consider it wrong... because you went about it behind her back and broke her trust.
     
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    Who are you to say what is a right and not? Until you engage in a homosexual relationship, I really don't think you have much to say about what they do.
    What does homosexuality have to do with cheating on your wife?
    Is not allowing them to get married not condemnation?
     
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    "That the desires of the majority of the people are often for injustice and inhumanity against the minority, is demonstrated by every page of the history of the whole world"
    -John Adam
     
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    jamaesi To Save A Lamb

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    Why no, it's just "protecting" an institution that heterosexuals seem to be destroying quite nicely themselves, thanks.
     
  17. Theodore

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    Yes, between a man and a woman.
    The point I was making was that just because you think something is OK, and it’s not hurting anybody, doesn’t mean it’s just fine. Adultery is immoral whether I think so or not. I could intellectually rationalize doing just about anything, but that doesn’t mean it’s right.
    You may not believe that there is right and wrong, moral and immoral laws in this world, but I do.
     
  18. Jaymes

    Jaymes The cake is a lie

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    Good, you can keep thinking that all you want.

    Just don't force it on us.
     
  19. Flappycat

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    I had a right to be treated with dignity and equality on the day that I was born, and it isn't your place to take away this right. Ballyhoo on your rhetorical hat tricks. I just don't buy it anymore.

    Hate is hate, and filling yourself with hate for something that doesn't deserve to be hated leaves you filled with hate.

    What makes it morally wrong is that you violated her trust in you. She gave you a wonderful and special gift, and you used it to betray her. I've been accused of being unreasonably tolerant of the moral decisions of others, but betrayal is something that even I frown upon.

    Nobody has asked you to support anything. I, however, am asking you to confine yourself to what is within your rights. You haven't a right to deprive others of their rights, and the majority does not make doing so any less evil.
     
  20. jamaesi

    jamaesi To Save A Lamb

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    No, marriage is between two people who love each other.


    People get hurt when one commits adultery. Please try again, only with more logic.
     
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