Scholem's "Primal Flaw."

[John D. Brey]

Professor Gershom Scholem spoke of a "primal flaw" generated in the genesis of man's primordial past. According to the Professor, all of man's problems stem from the root of this primal flaw. Had it not taken place, Professor Scholem claims mankind would have entered the Messianic age on the first Sabbath after ha-adam's creation.



John

 

[epronovost]

This is a he can of worm, but I can't resist openning those. Pray tell, mr Brey, would you care to enlighten us all on the identity of that "primal flaw" according to Dr Scholem (or yourself if it differs)?

 

[John D. Brey]

This is a he can of worm, but I can't resist openning those. Pray tell, mr Brey, would you care to enlighten us all on the identity of that "primal flaw" according to Dr Scholem (or yourself if it differs)?

Sigmund Freud claimed our first run-in with metaphysics as children is related to gender-distinction. The first great metaphysical shock a young boy experiences is when he see's a girl's genitals for the first time.

The first great metaphysical shock any bible reader should experience is when he reads, in Genesis, that ha-adam is a male. As fate would have it, the Hebrew implies nothing of the sort.



John

 

[epronovost]

Sigmund Freud claimed our first run-in with metaphysics as children is related to gender-distinction. The first great metaphysical shock a young boy experiences is when he see's a girl's genitals for the first time.

The first great metaphysical shock any bible reader should experience is when he reads, in Genesis, that ha-adam is a male. As fate would have it, the Hebrew implies nothing of the sort.



John

Are you implying that gender is the "primal flaw"?

 

[rational experiences]

In modern day human life after the giants ruled the Earth and had taken over the procreation of the species in the theme Mother Math science womb of space that he had abominated with Pyramid Temple science was real.

That giants lay with the Mother/Nature O the God Earth spatial womb change in those days and procreated with the man.

Inference is man historically was first in the Nature Garden history, before he invented science against God, to change God to convert and remove self in that theme.

How the giant Nature emerged in the heating/radiation enlargement of the spirit gases that God owned....as the SIN, entombed spirit of God the stone were changed.

The volcano a long time ago historically the mountain law released its spirits direct into empty zero spatial change.

Volcanoes inside of an Earth gas mass atmosphere now own different interactive gas emis SION.

Hence back in the old days the giant spirit lay with the daughter of man.

Maths, science human themes.

If you want to idealize what that theme meant it was a male scientific teaching that in the Image of God was man manifested as that image....so he owned presence in the Heavens/clouds as the image as the angel.

Then he changed life on Earth and so only the female image was left in the angel clouds with dinosaur images....still seen today imaging...seeing Earth gases have changed, the carbon content and atmospheric heating changed, ICE melted, what the giants in the past never owned....the STABLE state of Earth, the newly born baby/genetic DNA return of human life.

How it was taught.

As a human spiritual self.....so where did life re emerge from after the death of the dinosaurs....the answer is animals manifested first in their new life forms, then our 2 parents...the same 2 parent spirit bodies for everyone on Earth.

For science today says that it is proven that the first 2 human beings were owner of the same DNA/spirit bodies.

As they did actually emerge out of the eternal being/spirit body and returned to life due to ICE. Had to have sex to own a newly born human being baby.

Then when males DNA evolved they re gained occult science information and attacked life again. Just as the story says.

When science of the occult attacked life/sacrificed it once again with increased radiation/radio waves the theme of study was ADAM/ADAM. Adam 0 Adam.

That review was proof that it did not equate to the origin of the life of the first man....instead it said Adam 0 Jesus.....as proof of Genetic change.

If God the O planet with its filled in spatial gases did not exist, then no spirit would have emerged out of the eternal to be forced to live as a prisoner trapped on Earth, as was preached/taught as a spiritual human truth.

God O the planet is involved in the spiritual teachings/reasons why a human spirit emerged out of the eternal, it was the fault of God existing first. O the planet and stone.

How it was relatively taught, and as a huge percentage of the world population state, when my human being bio life dies I still own one higher self in the eternal spirit as an eternal being, that I cannot describe.

 

[John D. Brey]

Are you implying that gender is the "primal flaw"?

. . . I'm implying that gender distortion is the primal flaw.



John

 

[John D. Brey]

In modern day human life after the giants ruled the Earth and had taken over the procreation of the species in the theme Mother Math science womb of space that he had abominated with Pyramid Temple science was real.

That giants lay with the Mother/Nature O the God Earth spatial womb change in those days and procreated with the man.

Inference is man historically was first in the Nature Garden history, before he invented science against God, to change God to convert and remove self in that theme.

How the giant Nature emerged in the heating/radiation enlargement of the spirit gases that God owned....as the SIN, entombed spirit of God the stone were changed.

The volcano a long time ago historically the mountain law released its spirits direct into empty zero spatial change.

Volcanoes inside of an Earth gas mass atmosphere now own different interactive gas emis SION.

Hence back in the old days the giant spirit lay with the daughter of man.

Maths, science human themes.

If you want to idealize what that theme meant it was a male scientific teaching that in the Image of God was man manifested as that image....so he owned presence in the Heavens/clouds as the image as the angel.

Then he changed life on Earth and so only the female image was left in the angel clouds with dinosaur images....still seen today imaging...seeing Earth gases have changed, the carbon content and atmospheric heating changed, ICE melted, what the giants in the past never owned....the STABLE state of Earth, the newly born baby/genetic DNA return of human life.

How it was taught.

As a human spiritual self.....so where did life re emerge from after the death of the dinosaurs....the answer is animals manifested first in their new life forms, then our 2 parents...the same 2 parent spirit bodies for everyone on Earth.

For science today says that it is proven that the first 2 human beings were owner of the same DNA/spirit bodies.

As they did actually emerge out of the eternal being/spirit body and returned to life due to ICE. Had to have sex to own a newly born human being baby.

Then when males DNA evolved they re gained occult science information and attacked life again. Just as the story says.

When science of the occult attacked life/sacrificed it once again with increased radiation/radio waves the theme of study was ADAM/ADAM. Adam 0 Adam.

That review was proof that it did not equate to the origin of the life of the first man....instead it said Adam 0 Jesus.....as proof of Genetic change.

If God the O planet with its filled in spatial gases did not exist, then no spirit would have emerged out of the eternal to be forced to live as a prisoner trapped on Earth, as was preached/taught as a spiritual human truth.

God O the planet is involved in the spiritual teachings/reasons why a human spirit emerged out of the eternal, it was the fault of God existing first. O the planet and stone.

How it was relatively taught, and as a huge percentage of the world population state, when my human being bio life dies I still own one higher self in the eternal spirit as an eternal being, that I cannot describe.

. . . How much would it cost me to get some of what you're smoking?



John

 

[epronovost]

. . . I'm implying that gender distortion is the primal flaw.



John

What do you mean by "gender distortion"?

 

[John D. Brey]

What do you mean by "gender distortion"?

. . . In a very basic sense, a completely backward, erroneous, and wrong, belief that ha-adam (the first human) was male. We know from science, philosophy, theosophy, and history, that that's impossible. Ha-adam had a female body. And the fact that the Bible, as interpreted by the Masoretes, interprets it to say he had a male body, is about as backward, wrongheaded, and distorted, as anything could be.

Since Western Civilization is based part-wise on the Masoretic mangling of the Bible, well, Houston, we have a serious problem.



John

 

[epronovost]

. . . In a very basic sense, a completely backward, erroneous, and wrong, belief that ha-adam (the first human) was male. We know from science, philosophy, theosophy, and history, that that's impossible. Ha-adam had a female body. And the fact that the Bible, as interpreted by the Masoretes, interprets it to say he had a male body, is about as backward, wrongheaded, and distorted, as anything could be.

Since Western Civilization is based part-wise on the Masoretic mangling of the Bible, well, Houston, we have a serious problem.



John

You are aware that the story of Genesis is a myth, do you? It's a story, not an actual explanation of the apparition of the first humans. That's actually a much more complicated thing.

 

[rational experiences]

. . . How much would it cost me to get some of what you're smoking?



John

I already lived through being smoked irradiated, which occult science studying and experimenting on our atmosphere know. How much of your spirit would it cost to pretend that you were Jesus and can return atmospheric gases/spirits as if it is a miracle....obviously your whole life....just like you said.

You lost your own cloud image in the times of the dinosaur image, and it replaced yours....obvious isn't it really in relativity?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

We know from science, philosophy, theosophy, and history, that that's impossible. Ha-adam had a female body. And the fact that the Bible, as interpreted by the Masoretes, interprets it to say he had a male body, is about as backward, wrongheaded, and distorted, as anything could be.

In fact, your post scores laughably high on the scale of "backward, wrongheaded, and distorted." You obviously haven't a clue what the Masoretes were all about. The rest of the post is just silly (although one can indeed find rabbinic talk of Adam being androgynous).

 

[dybmh]

Professor Gershom Scholem spoke of a "primal flaw" generated in the genesis of man's primordial past. According to the Professor, all of man's problems stem from the root of this primal flaw.

gender distortion is the primal flaw.

Can you bring this down to to "street-level"?

Assuming you're right about this, what are the implications for an average person, living their lives, working, recreating, either solo, as a couple, or in a community?

 

[John D. Brey]

You are aware that the story of Genesis is a myth, do you? It's a story, not an actual explanation of the apparition of the first humans. That's actually a much more complicated thing.

. . . As Karl Popper implied, myth is pre-authenticated science. Modern science began, begins, by testing mythological predicates.

For instance, Popper, John Wheeler, and even more-so Eddington, concede that quantum physics is part-wise a result of logicians, philosophers, and scientists, all trying to refute, or authenticate, Bishop Berkeley's claim that when it ain't being viewed, a chair, simply ain't there. . . The claim seemed utterly preposterous in Berkeley's day. And yet he backed his myth up with the Bible, logic, and philosophy.

Today we know that Berkeley's myth was correct. Today it's plain science.

What I'm doing is a reverse of what Berkeley did. I'm using modern science to correct the Masoretic interpretation of the holy Hebrew script and scripture. I can show, using science, that ha-adam (regardless of whether he's pure myth, or a literal person) had a female body.

That's earth-shattering if true since it portends the approaching end of the civilization, Western, based on a severe crack in the original interpretation of the Torah.



John

 

[John D. Brey]

Can you bring this down to to "street-level"?

Assuming you're right about this, what are the implications for an average person, living their lives, working, recreating, either solo, as a couple, or in a community?

. . . Jesus taught that there was one fail-safe way for his followers to know that they were living in the final generation of the era began with the expulsion from the Garden. That fail-safe key to the fact that we're living in the final generation of the pre-Kingdom age has been fulfilled.

This thread (about realizing ha-adam had a female body) is like that. If true, and provable, and it is, it shows that mankind's post-Fall, pre-Kingdom, worldview, based on false beliefs about gender, are about to be dealt a fatal blow.

That's likely to cause the unraveling of a bevy of other fundamentally incorrect beliefs about man, God, and the Bible, that have held sway from the Fall of Adam to this very day.



John

 

[John D. Brey]

You lost your own cloud image in the times of the dinosaur image, and it replaced yours....obvious isn't it really in relativity?

. . . The mushroom cloud, or swirl, above your head as you write, is as devastating to rational dialogue as the mushroom cloud over Nagasaki was devastating to dandelions, peacocks, and parakeets.

John

 

[John D. Brey]

In fact, your post scores laughably high on the scale of "backward, wrongheaded, and distorted." You obviously haven't a clue what the Masoretes were all about. The rest of the post is just silly (although one can indeed find rabbinic talk of Adam being androgynous).

. . . One of the Masorete's projects was the elimination of all but the traditional Jewish ---rabbinic ---- interpretation of the holy Torah text.

The problem with that is that it (the Torah text) was delivered to Moses as a cipher-text. Which means it's subject to multiple interpretations to be determined by the key used to unlock a particular interpretation.

What got a first-century traveling faith-healer/prophet nailed to a tree was his proving that he had a key different than the one the authorities assumed was the singular key.

This is all explained in the fifth Gospel: Toledot Yeshua.


John

 

[epronovost]

. . . As Karl Popper implied, myth is pre-authenticated science. Modern science began, begins, by testing mythological predicates.

No it doesn't. It begins with an hypothesis not myths and parable.

For instance, Popper, John Wheeler, and even more-so Eddington, concede that quantum physics is part-wise a result of logicians, philosophers, and scientists, all trying to refute, or authenticate, Bishop Berkeley's claim that when it ain't being viewed, a chair, simply ain't there. . . The claim seemed utterly preposterous in Berkeley's day. And yet he backed his myth up with the Bible, logic, and philosophy.

Today we know that Berkeley's myth was correct. Today it's plain science.

This is a gross missunderstanding and over-application of quantum entenglement. I would also like to note that quantum physics emerged as a theory to reconcile observable phenomenon that could not be reconciled with classical relativistic physics. It didn't emerged as an attempt to falsify a thought experiment.

What I'm doing is a reverse of what Berkeley did. I'm using modern science to correct the Masoretic interpretation of the holy Hebrew script and scripture. I can show, using science, that ha-adam (regardless of whether he's pure myth, or a literal person) had a female body.

I'am curious how you would use "science" (which ones precisely) to prove that the myth actually refers to adam as a woman and not as a man.

That's earth-shattering if true since it portends the approaching end of the civilization, Western, based on a severe crack in the original interpretation of the Torah.

I don't see how this could have any effect unless one's consider those myths to be true. You might as well reveal that Harry Potter was actually a girl not a boy.

 

[epronovost]

What got a first-century traveling faith-healer/prophet nailed to a tree was his proving that he had a key different than the one the authorities assumed was the singular key.

He got nailed to a cross by Romans who were not Jewish. The most likely reason for his execution by Pilate was that he caused a riot in Jerusalem Temple.

 

[Harel13]

. . . One of the Masorete's projects was the elimination of all but the traditional Jewish ---rabbinic ---- interpretation of the holy Torah text.

The problem with that is that it (the Torah text) was delivered to Moses as a cipher-text. Which means it's subject to multiple interpretations to be determined by the key used to unlock a particular interpretation.

But a large and central part of the traditional Jewish interpretation of the text is the allowance of multiple interpretations...