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Featured Satan is liar and the father of it

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by 74x12, Jul 24, 2018.

  1. OtherSheep

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    You're right, I should have been more clear. Even the people who don't believe that God is in the rain.

    Or in any god other than themselves, are evangelizing for all they're worth... how ever much that may be. At further risk of being rebuked by the without-proof one-sentence characters... A-theist doesn't mean not-theist, it means against-theist. I would say that's an oddity on a religious forum, if what I see here didn't prove my point so clearly... and again, I don't mean you, Shadow Wolf. You at least do people the honor of giving reasons why you disagree. You are no coward.
     
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    "Go fly a kite", "Christian/Shaman".
     
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    EtuMalku MERCURÆN LUCIFERIAN

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    You either didn't bother to read any of this thread or you are ignorant to the facts which have been brought up over and over again, that Satan has NOT murdered one person according to the scriptures (word of god), and that Yahweh has indeed murdered millions. That even when Satan acts inappropriately towards Man, He is doing so as directed by Yahweh.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    There’s certainly enough balloon juice in your theology to make that both possible and effortless.
     
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    Matthew 13:13-15 "Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them."
     
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    I'm on your side! I love you! :hearteyes: I'm against the archons because they are deceivers and satan is a killer for sure. I'm on Jesus side because He came to end all their tyranny over the human race. He stood in the gap for me and took all the pain and wounds they could give Him.

    God's love goes on and on and on ... forever. God even loves satan's soul. All the darkness is so small compared to God's Light!!! The Light goes on and on to the point of being unfathomable. Soon God will put an end to the darkness and those who hide in the darkness will be judged. Even though they say "who sees us? and who knows us?" but the scripture says of them: "Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the Lord" ... "surely your turning of things upside down will be esteemed the potter's clay."

    Restoring the kingdom to the Father is all Jesus is doing. It's a painful process like the cross was painful but will be good in the end. No wonder the world is in turmoil because the archons are upset and don't want to give up. I feel the love of God going on and on ... There will be no end to the morning when Jesus arises.
     
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    Then you don't believe that rulers are to be bowed down to and prayed for, because Satan is the guy who owns the kingdoms of this world today? If that is what you're saying, then you don't believe Saul the Pharisee, any more than I do.

    Or you haven't yet done the math.

    Because if "obey all authority" is some kind of reality, then obeying the Inquisitors and blaspheming God was also the right thing to do... and obeying the Talmudic Noachides who call Jesus an idol will also be the right thing to do. And isn't that what Saul made the followers of Jesus do... blaspheme God? And Saul is the same guy who tells you to obey all authority which is an agent of God operating for your good. Obey even the Roman Emperors who fed people to the lions. And even the governments who will tell you to be Judas to your family and friends, are to be obeyed under the umbrella of "all authority".

    The whole thing falls apart, when you really think about Saul of Tarsus.
     
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    Shadow Wolf Rival's Wife

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    In the word atheist, the "a" is a prefix that means without; a-theist, a-hedonia, a-symmetrical, a-typical.
     
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    The rulers I speak of are the fallen angels. (Ephesians 6:12)
    Paul did not mean that anyone should obey man rather than God.
    That's the grace of God to forgive even Paul. We've all sinned.
    Paul meant they should be obeyed only so far as is morally acceptable.
    I can't judge Paul for his past before he repented. I believe all is forgiven in Jesus Christ and furthermore Paul became one of the most faithful apostles of all time.
     
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    That may work where God is not involved, but it doesn't where He is.

    a-nomia = iniquity. Without-Law may start out as passive; but once defended, it becomes active... and then it's actively against God. The same thing holds true with atheism. In the defence of the thing, it shows itself to be actively anti-God. You can see that happening here in this "religious" forum.

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    Examples of active anomia:

    7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity.
    13:41 The Son of man shall send forth His angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
    23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. {the whole chapter}
    24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
    1 Corinthians 5:1 that one should have his father's wife.
    1 Corinthinas 8:10 sit at meat in the idol's temple
     
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    Then you don't believe what Jesus says.

    Matthew 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard [it], they said, This [fellow] doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
    12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

    Matthew 23:34-35 "Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar."

    Acts 26:10-11 "Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against. And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled them to blaspheme; and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted them even unto strange cities."

    Matthew 18:6-7 "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in Me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!"

    Offence = Greek, Skandalon = stumbling-block.

    Revelation 2:14 "But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication."

    Acts 23:6 Paul... cried out... I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee
    1 Corinthians 8:10 sit at meat in the idol's temple
    1 Corinthians 10:23 All things are lawful for me
     
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    First of all it says he forced people to blaspheme but that only means "speak evil". So it wasn't necessarily blasphemy of the holy Spirit. Jesus Himself claims that people can be forgiven if they only speak of evil of the Son of man. Secondly Paul claims he received mercy because he did it ignorantly "in unbelief". (1 Timothy 1:13). So you can't go around accusing unbelievers of blasphemy of the holy Spirit because only God can judge whether someone has really crossed that line or not.

    As for 1st Corinthians, Paul concludes by saying that they should not eat food sacrificed to idols (if they know it is sacrificed to idols) because it's a bad testimony to unbelievers and to brothers who may be tempted by this. (1 Corinthians 8:13) Therefore, Paul taught the exact opposite doctrine of those who "cast a stumbling block" before their brothers. He was actually telling the brothers in Corinth not to cast a stumbling block.
     
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    It's how it works in the English language.
    "Nomia" isn't a root word like theist, symmetry, or hedonia.
    Most atheists don't even care enough about a god concept to be anti-god. You should probably learn more about atheism before making such false statements.
    In case you haven't noticed, not all atheists here are anti-theist, and not all theist are friendly towards other religions.
     
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    "In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel."--Saul of Tarsus, Romans 2:16.
    Matthew 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard [it], they said, This [fellow] doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
    12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
    12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

    1:13 "Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did [it] ignorantly in unbelief." Saul.

    6:64 "For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray Him." Judas.

    Judas didn't obtain mercy. Neither will the man who fulfilled this.

    The Prophecy:
    part 1

    Matthew 23:34
    "Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from city to city:"

    Fulfilled:

    Acts 26:10-11 "Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against. And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled them to blaspheme; and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted them even unto strange cities."

    Pending:
    part 2

    Matthew 23-35 ": That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar."


    10:27 If any of them that believe not bid you [to a feast], and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake. 10:29 Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another [man's] conscience? 10:30 For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?

    How exactly does that prayer go?... Bless this meat... that I didn't know was sacrificed to demons because I didn't ask... wink wink.
     
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    Nomos is the Greek root word meaning law.

    anomos: from a (as a negative particle) and nomos; lawless, i.e. (negatively) not subject to (the Jewish) law; (by implication, a Gentile), or (positively) wicked:--without law, lawless, transgressor, unlawful, wicked.--Strong's # 459.

    Anomia is often translated as iniquity, and always means without law.
     
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    "And He created dog." :)

    But Jesus is the Good Shepherd. You know shepherds eat the sheep eventually, right? What good is it to be saved from the wolf when you're just being led around so you're fatter for the one who is grooming you for lunch?

    I understand John's blasphemy just fine.

    But he didn't and many tyrants use his name as justification.
     
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    Which deity does John blaspheme, KotP?

    "Blasphemy is the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence to a deity, or sacred things, or toward something considered sacred or inviolable.
    2. Random House Dictionary. Quote: impious utterance or action concerning God or sacred things.; the crime of assuming to oneself the rights or qualities of God.
    3. Merriam Webster. 1. great disrespect shown to God or to something holy 2. irreverence toward something considered sacred or inviolable.
    4. Webster's New World College Dictionary. 1. profane or contemptuous speech, writing, or action concerning God or anything held as divine. 2. any remark or action held to be irreverent or disrespectful."
    Blasphemy - Wikipedia

    According to all of the above, humans can not be blasphemed.
     
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    Yeah well you know as well as I do that the Shepherd/sheep thing is an analogy. Besides you're ignoring the fact that some sheep are used for wool instead of food.

    Secondly, remember that Jesus Himself was a "Lamb of God"? That He died a sacrifice for us? So just because someone dies that doesn't mean it's the end. They can live again. So for example martyrs are considered a sacrifice to God. Not that God needs a sacrifice or even desires it, but He accepts it because they did give their life for Him. So He honors them.

    Jesus also uses the analogy of the fruit tree. You can eat the fruit and without hurting the tree. As far as what God gets out of us; the better analogy is the fruit tree. In other words God likes to enjoy the good or righteousness that we do. This to God is "good fruit". So if you're asking what God gets out of us; that's it.

    He's in the process right now. That's why He wants people to "get on board" right now; so to speak. So that when He delivers the kingdom up; they can be honored.

    As for tyrants using His name. Sure and they would use anything for the power they crave. They're quite possibly sociopaths or psychopaths. They don't care what they have to say to get what they want.
     
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    Psalm 23 "Jehovah [is] my shepherd, I do not lack, In pastures of tender grass He causeth me to lie down, By quiet waters He doth lead me. My soul He refresheth, He leadeth me in paths of righteousness, For His name's sake, Also -- when I walk in a valley of death-shade, I fear no evil, for Thou [art] with me, Thy rod and Thy staff -- they comfort me. Thou arrangest before me a table, Over-against my adversaries, Thou hast anointed with oil my head, My cup is full! Only -- goodness and kindness pursue me, All the days of my life, And my dwelling [is] in the house of Jehovah, For a length of days!"

    Matthew 11 'Come unto Me, all ye labouring and burdened ones, and I will give you rest, take up My yoke upon you, and learn from Me, because I am meek and humble in heart, and ye shall find rest to your souls, for My yoke [is] easy, and My burden is light.'

    John 1:29 "The next day John sees Jesus coming to him, and he says, See the lamb of God! the one carrying the sin of the world."

    Isaiah 22 "And it hath come to pass, in that day, That I have called to My servant, To Eliakim (God of raising) son of Hilkiah (portion of Jah). And I have clothed Him with thy coat, And with thy girdle I strengthen Him, And thy garment I give into His hand, And He hath been for a father to the inhabitant of Jerusalem, And to the house of Judah. And I have placed the key Of the house of David on His shoulder, And He hath opened, and none is shutting, And hath shut, and none is opening. And I have fixed Him a nail in a stedfast place, And He hath been for a throne of honour To the house of His Father. And they have hanged on Him All the honour of the house of His Father, The offspring and the issue, All vessels of small quality, From vessels of basins to all vessels of flagons. In that day -- an affirmation of Jehovah of Hosts, Moved is the nail that is fixed In a stedfast place, Yea, it hath been cut down, and hath fallen, And cut off hath been the burden that [is] on it, For Jehovah hath spoken!'"

    Revelation 3 "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith He that is holy, He that is true, He that hath the key of David, He that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My word, and hast not denied My name."

    Revelation 22 "And the Spirit and the Bride say, Come; and he who is hearing -- let him say, Come; and he who is thirsting -- let him come; and he who is willing -- let him take the water of life freely."
     
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