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Satan is liar and the father of it

74x12

Well-Known Member
Some people believe satan is a god. What is a lie? It doesn't exist so it's nothing really. It's illusion. So satan created ... nothing? What god or creator makes nothing and tells you it is something?

So the fact is satan made nothing(lies, illusion something that appears true but isn't) whereas Adonai made everything else that is true and really valuable.
 

Flame

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Some people believe satan is a god.

Which he is not.

What god or creator makes nothing and tells you it is something?

What's he suppose to have created again?

What god or creator makes nothing and tells you it is something?

The Abrahamic God?

So the fact is satan made nothing(lies, illusion something that appears true but isn't) whereas Adonai made everything else that is true and really valuable.

According to a centuries old book that was written and edited by mortal men.
 
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Spiderman

Veteran Member
Some people believe satan is a god. What is a lie? It doesn't exist so it's nothing really. It's illusion. So satan created ... nothing? What god or creator makes nothing and tells you it is something?

So the fact is satan made nothing(lies, illusion something that appears true but isn't) whereas Adonai made everything else that is true and really valuable.
God is responsible for Satan's lies because he created Satan, knew what Satan would do, let Satan into the garden to tempt Eve, made Eve so dumb that she would listen to a talking snake, then God continues to let Satan deceive people.

God is the author of sin because he leaves people with the desire to sin, creates fallen Angels, lets fallen Angels tempt and deceive people, and God refuses to give people understanding so that people would stop believing lies.

God created Satan. God created liars. God lets lies dominate people's minds and deceive everyone. Therefore, God is the Father of lies. Satan just does what God wants him to do! God is in control and remains silent and cruel. He wants the Devil to kill, steal, rape, deceive, and destroy! God is the Father of Satan.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
Which he is not.
The scripture says "I have said ye are gods and all of you are children of the most High" (Psalm 82)

So the "archons" the rulers, the fallen angels who rebelled against the most High God are at least acting as lesser gods or princes/rulers. But Jesus who proceeded from the Father was far greater than they are. He came in weakness of form. A mere baby, but He rose from the dead mighty to save. He now has ascended above the highest heaven to fill all things; yet still in the form of the Son of man. He was a human but now is Almighty. So in Him we have power over all the principalities and even satan himself. Because Jesus came like us. So His power is for us. And His revival is for us as He gives new Life.
What's he suppose to have created again?
Satan created lies, illusion. In so doing he is supposed to have created something new that Adonai did not make. This is supposed to have put him on equal status as Adonai because satan is also (supposedly) a creator.

But, a lie is something that appears to be what it is not. In other words it does not truly exist at all. So I say that satan really made nothing. He's not equal with Adonai.

Jesus taught that satan was the father of lies. Imagine satan's pride when he saw what he accomplished. By lying he introduced death into the world. A blanket of darkness covering every one born. This darkness was all because of him. Satan. So I imagine he glories and revels in this darkness. But, Jesus came as the Light into the world to destroy the veil of darkness.
The Abrahamic God.
The scripture says that every Word of God is true. Let God be true and every man a liar. So the scripture says ... that He may justified when He judges. God will judge the rulers and princes of heavenly or demonic realms(the archons) and mankind also. They will be shut up in a pit.
According to a centuries old book that was written and edited by mortal men.
Scriptures inspired by God. Holy writings given by the inspiration of God that rests on people like a mantle. Called the "anointing". Yes some books were edited. That is compiled from the writings of previous prophets. But even God can inspire the editor. So that the whole thing is written by true prophets and through the anointing God gives.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
So President Trump would obviously be an agent of Satan.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
God is responsible for Satan's lies because he created Satan, knew what Satan would do, let Satan into the garden to tempt Eve, made Eve so dumb that she would listen to a talking snake, then God continues to let Satan deceive people.

God is the author of sin because he leaves people with the desire to sin, creates fallen Angels, lets fallen Angels tempt and deceive people, and God refuses to give people understanding so that people would stop believing lies.

God created Satan. God created liars. God lets lies dominate people's minds and deceive everyone. Therefore, God is the Father of lies. Satan just does what God wants him to do! God is in control and remains silent and cruel. He wants the Devil to kill, steal, rape, deceive, and destroy! God is the Father of Satan.
No one can accuse God of hypocrisy because God came down here to experience it all even though He didn't have to do it. He faced the worst that satan could throw at Him. Jesus was God manifest and so God died thanks to satan's dirty tricks. They tortured Jesus to death and it was not pretty.

There was one man they forced to carry Jesus' cross. That was symbolic of how we are to carry Jesus' cross. So if we suffer with Him; then we'll reign with Him also. Jesus never said otherwise than "take up your cross and follow me"

God does test us. Hides wisdom from us to see how we'll react. And if we pass the test then we'll get wisdom.

And we can change the world if we have faith. Faith is the thing that pleases God if we have faith then we can change things. Have an impact. Stand in the gap. Turn aside the wrath of God. Make up the hedge. Intercede for those who have sinned. Maybe they can repent and be saved. Because faith is what pleases God and He'll heal anyone who comes to Him.

Jesus did this more than anyone. He stood in the gap for the entire world. He made up the hedge. And all the power of hell came against Him.

But there is no battle, no struggle or fight if the stakes are not real. So God did allow all this evil to come so that goodness could be proven good and could triumph over the power evil. Yes evil had to be fully unleashed and could hold nothing back so that the perfection of beauty could be proven.

Because goodness is incomplete without a triumph. Because goodness cannot exist without evil first existing. Evil perfects goodness and makes it exist fully. So how can anyone show mercy if there is no need for it? There is beauty that must be brought out from the struggle. So that the new Jerusalem will shine in splendor forever because evil once existed.

If God will not make everything right; then you can complain. But God will arise upon those who are faithful to the end. They will see His glory and be changed. They will be healed. Every evil thing will be forgotten because of the glory that will fill all things.

If creation is finished now then we are miserable and have no hope except in death. But creation is not finished and the 7th day is coming for those who wait.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
Satan is a god, or isn't a god?
Not a god for the church. To us there is but one God the Father. For others though there are "gods" or "idols".

1 Corinthians 8:5-6
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Not a god for the church. To us there is but one God the Father. For others though there are "gods" or "idols".

1 Corinthians 8:5-6
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Is a 'false god', still a god?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
The scripture says that every Word of God is true.
Why would it say otherwise? It goes without saying it's going to self-confirm itself, it is claiming to speak for god, after all.
He faced the worst that satan could throw at Him.
Can't blame that one on Satan. Jesus faced what he threw at himself, having preordained and prophesized it all to happen.
And all the power of hell came against Him.
Is tempting Jesus in the desert really all the power of hell?
 

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Some people believe satan is a god. What is a lie? It doesn't exist so it's nothing really. It's illusion. So satan created ... nothing? What god or creator makes nothing and tells you it is something?

So the fact is satan made nothing(lies, illusion something that appears true but isn't) whereas Adonai made everything else that is true and really valuable.

Free will, Jehovah just wanted a bunch of slaves. :D
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
Some people believe satan is a god. What is a lie? It doesn't exist so it's nothing really. It's illusion. So satan created ... nothing? What god or creator makes nothing and tells you it is something?

So the fact is satan made nothing(lies, illusion something that appears true but isn't) whereas Adonai made everything else that is true and really valuable.
Some would say, attributing to Satan his own power and creative acts, is exactly the definition of a god. And if you're not describing dualism in that last sentence, I don't know what it is.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
If creation is finished now then we are miserable and have no hope except in death. But creation is not finished and the 7th day is coming for those who wait.

What a miserable way of thinking!

Maybe you should speak for yourself?

I am not miserable, or without hope.

You are under the impression that there is
some "god" gonna come along and make
you happy. There aint. It is up to you.

Try taking responsibility for your life!
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Some people believe satan is a god. What is a lie? It doesn't exist so it's nothing really. It's illusion. So satan created ... nothing? What god or creator makes nothing and tells you it is something?

So the fact is satan made nothing(lies, illusion something that appears true but isn't) whereas Adonai made everything else that is true and really valuable.
Ir is "Satan" symbolic of our propensity to sometimes do evil?

If Satan (actually haSatan) has sovereignty over his own domain, we gotta a problem = polytheism. The way around this, which can be found in the book of Job, is that God allows Satan to do his own thing.
 
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