dgirl1986
Big Queer Chesticles!
Just because I do not plan to listen or read in the future does not mean I have not listened or read in the past. You cannot gage how informed I am by a post on a forum.
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Sam Harris vs. Deepak Chopra
- Thread starter Gambit
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Just because I do not plan to listen or read in the future does not mean I have not listened or read in the past. You cannot gage how informed I am by a post on a forum.
That, I fear, is just wishful thinking.
Then again, what relating to Deepak Chopra is not?
Acintya_Ash
Bhakta
Harris believes that Consciousness is a product of matter and this is not what Advaita teaches. Maybe he's more inclined towards the Buddhist philosophy.
Chopra believes everything springs from Consciousness, Advaita Vedanta!
Their worldviews are diametrically opposite.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
No, it's Dzogchen actually. That's a form of Tibetan Buddhism.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Indeed they do, or more accurately metaphysical claims are based on subjective experience. Unfortunately people like Chopra try to claim objectivity by using psuedo-science.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
And you are not? It's clear that you see everything through a theist lens.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
It's sort of like comparing Mozart and Lady Gaga.
ratikala
Istha gosthi
namaskaram Acintya_Ash ji
unfortunatly not , I do not take this th be Buddhist veiw either , ....although he may feel that he inclines more towards Buddhism , it would seam that he imputes his own reasoning in this instance ,.... unfortunatly Buddhism seems to be being stretched to fit many preconcived notions now that it has come out into the west , ....
unfortunatly not , I do not take this th be Buddhist veiw either , ....although he may feel that he inclines more towards Buddhism , it would seam that he imputes his own reasoning in this instance ,.... unfortunatly Buddhism seems to be being stretched to fit many preconcived notions now that it has come out into the west , ....
ratikala
Istha gosthi
namaskaram Spiny ji
Dzogchen is "Highest Perfection", ....realisation of ones true nature , ....this is not the veiw taken here , ....
Dzogchen is "Highest Perfection", ....realisation of ones true nature , ....this is not the veiw taken here , ....
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Sam Harris has spoken a lot about Dzogchen.
I'm actually sorry for Deepak Chopra. He seems to mean well, but he lacks even basic mastery of the very concepts he relies so much on.
Or, perhaps (and far more likely) current social and intellectual circunstances have made the questioning of certain traditional misconceptions possible, thereby raising fears among certain traditionalist circles.
People are both allowed to and capable of learning better than their forefathers, Ratikala. I hope you learn that and take that lesson to heart eventually.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Buddhism is in the process of adapting to western culture, and has adapted to many different cultures over the last 2,500 years. If Buddhism managed to incorporate Bon shamanism in Tibet, I'm sure it can cope with some western secularism!
But did you read the rest of my post? I thought I presented some good thoughts for discussion.
Understanding reality is what matters to me; I don't give a hoot about the egos and possible personality foibles of Harris or Chopra; but if either says something interesting then that gets my attention.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
I find Harris more interesting than Chopra. I don't get the sense that Harris is into Advaita though - I think he is what you'd call a secular Buddhist, somewhat similar to Stephen Batchelor in outlook.
Gambit
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Gambit
Well-Known Member
If Harris' spirituality is inspired by Dzogchen, then it is obviously inspired by Buddhism.
Just as a side note. Buddhist scholar B. Alan Wallace characterizes the "Great Perfection" (Dzogchen) school of Buddhism as qualifying as monotheism.
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Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
If Harris' spirituality is inspired Dzogchen, then it is obviously inspired by Buddhism.
It's the Advaita bit I was querying. Though a lot of people do seem to confuse Buddhism with Advaita.
Gambit
Well-Known Member
You also appear to be grossly misinformed about Buddhism.
Gambit
Well-Known Member
It's the Advaita bit I was querying. Though a lot of people do seem to confuse Buddhism with Advaita.
I cited a source that clearly states that Harris' spirituality is based primarily on Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta. I am afraid that trumps your unsubstantiated counterclaim. (By the way, Buddhsim and Advaita are closely related.)