Salvation

[Thief]

and you think you are saved?

how was that line drawn?

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

and you think you are saved?

Probably just to be reincarnated as something/someone else.

 

[Thief]

Probably just to be reincarnated as something/someone else.

but was it?
a willful thing on your part?
your choice
your decision
your intentional action

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

but was it?
a willful thing on your part?
your choice
your decision
your intentional action

Probably not.

 

[Thief]

Probably not.

as an action performed by Someone Else.....

can you describe the line He drew?
and can you cross that line as He intends for you to do?

 

[Thief]

the focus of this thread is salvation

but I suspect.....even God and heaven cannot pull you back if the line drawn
was not upheld

any chance?.....you draw the line for yourself?

 

[Thief]

AND.....if you are saved

can you do so again for someone else?
extend that line to include the next person

what if your loved one has failed?

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

as an action performed by Someone Else.....

can you describe the line He drew?
and can you cross that line as He intends for you to do?

Well in my case, the line will probably end up being a straight line with a top and bottom side. The top side will be being reincarnated to a more enlightened life and to possibly grow more. The bottom will be having to pay a big karma debt and experience a lot of trauma, most likely, in the next life.

I do believe you briefly meet the powers-that-be, the gods, between reincarnations - well usually.

I really think the best things I can do is not be sinister, try my best, and try to be enlightened rather than trusting bad dogma, to go above the line.

 

[Thief]

Well in my case, the line will probably end up being a straight line with a top and bottom side. The top side will be being reincarnated to a more enlightened life and to possibly grow more. The bottom will be having to pay a big karma debt and experience a lot of trauma, most likely, in the next life.

I do believe you briefly meet the powers-that-be, the gods, between reincarnations - well usually.

I really think the best things I can do is not be sinister, try my best, and try to be enlightened rather than trusting bad dogma, to go above the line.

I see this as a fence
you crossover
then return

any chance?....you will finally stay on the far side?

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I see this as a fence
you crossover
then return

any chance?....you will finally stay on the far side?

I really need to study my religious literatures more, but I suspect you could eventually leave this Earth and go to some other better realm. Could take thousands of years of reincarnations and learning.

 

[Thief]

I really need to study my religious literatures more, but I suspect you could eventually leave this Earth and go to some other better realm. Could take thousands of years of reincarnations and learning.

I wish for you a pleasant journey

 

[Thief]

anybody else?

 

[Thief]

I for one have often posted.....

if my beloved is not found in heaven
I will ask the lend of a sword and go looking for her

as if I can do such things

 

[Howard Is]

and you think you are saved?

how was that line drawn?

I realised that giving a **** is an option.

 

[Aupmanyav]

and you think you are saved?

Saved from what? What is this saving that you are talking about? The real saving, if any, is to be saved from superstitious ignorance.

AND.....if you are saved
can you do so again for someone else?
extend that line to include the next person.

Yes, I can, provided the person abandons his/her superstitious prejudices. If someone wants to remain ignorant, nothing much can be done for him/her.

 

[Father Heathen]

and you think you are saved?

Yeah

how was that line drawn?

Etch-a-Sketch

 

[Deeje]

anybody else?

We first have to define what it is that we are getting "saved" from?
Christians use this expression but not many can actually define it.

What say you Thief?

Using an analogy that I like to apply...if you were on board the Titanic which you believed was unsinkable because the builders told you that.....and someone had removed some of the lifeboats because of this mistaken notion, how would you feel if you saw that all the lifeboats were full, and you were still standing in a crowd on the deck with water swirling around your knees?

How would you feel if there was criteria for a place on those lifeboats and you didn't meet it? Would you still want a seat? When the Titanic was sinking, it was "women and children first". Some men stoically put their wives and children on the lifeboats knowing that they would never see them again. Other men tried to sneak on and who could blame them? But what if you were discovered and asked to give up your place, knowing that you would surely die if you did? No one would ever want to be in any of those positions. Not even the women and children who were pulling away from the sinking ship.


I see the world as the Titanic.....and it is sinking, but the lifeboats are not reserved for just women and children, they are reserved for everyone who wants to qualify for a place. Its a bit like applying for citizenship in another country....you must meet the criteria or your application will be rejected.
There is a list of qualifications that must be attained if you want a place, and you know that only those who fulfill all of them will get a onboard. What will you do?

What is the criteria for salvation?

 

[Deeje]

I for one have often posted.....

if my beloved is not found in heaven
I will ask the lend of a sword and go looking for her

as if I can do such things

That sounds heroic....but what if she is just 'sleeping', waiting for Jesus to call her out of that sleep and you are waiting there for her as the first face she sees when she wakes up? No sword required....how would you feel?

 

[chinu]

and you think you are saved?

how was that line drawn?

Salvation is the end of identity.

 

[Thief]

Yes, I can, provided the person abandons his/her superstitious prejudices. If someone wants to remain ignorant, nothing much can be done for him/her.

so you DO recognize at least one line drawn

AND.....you might.....maybe .....
can do something about it