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Discussion in 'General Debates' started by fantome profane, May 14, 2019.

  1. fantome profane

    fantome profane Have you read the Whistleblower complaint?
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  2. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    I'd prefer to get my info from someone with more than just an aerospace engineer degree.

    Bill Nye - Wikipedia
     
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    I am a geologist with a background in geochemistry, environmental science and climate. I will answer questions with references.
     
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  4. Stanyon

    Stanyon WWMHD?

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    Why is he further polluting the air?
     
  5. fantome profane

    fantome profane Have you read the Whistleblower complaint?
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    Attack the messenger. Check.
     
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    shunyadragon Veteran Member
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    Who is he anymore than any other individual?
     
  7. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    He's not a very qualified messenger. Hes a comedian with an engineering degree. I am more qualified than he is. At least I work with the EPA, so yeah I know a thing or two about it.
     
  8. fantome profane

    fantome profane Have you read the Whistleblower complaint?
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    Irrelevant. The message is the message, regardless of who is saying it.
     
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  9. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    It's a biased message though.

    The data is inconclusive. It's a highly debate topic within the scientific community. Some people run one way with and some the other based on the political views. But the data its self in inconclusive from an objective point of view.

    The climate is changing that there is no doubt. What inconclusive is to why exactly. Humans have had an effect there is no doubt. And we should look for sustainable, renewable, energy, and products to cut back on pollution. But all this fear mongering we gonna die in 10 years etc is just that. People letting fear take hold of them and then they spread it.

    In the meantime everyone needs to help out with the aforementioned measures, while we determine what more if anythin g can be done.
     
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    Stanyon WWMHD?

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    Do you believe that the earth is over populated?
     
  11. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    No, and actually some of us are headed for extinction due to low birth rates. I think only Arabs have a positive birth rate last time I checked. Caucasians and Chinese, we produce half as many as we need to and will go extinct in 100 years people don't start pushing out more babies.
     
  12. crossfire

    crossfire Antinomian feminist heretic freak ☿
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    Do you see carbon dioxide as a pollutant? Is it really wise to try to limit carbon dioxide in light of species extinction, especially in regards to plants? (If your patient is under stress, then the last thing you want to do is cut off the breathing supply. Just sayin') There are other pollutants we should be focusing on, imo.
     
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    crossfire Antinomian feminist heretic freak ☿
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    What do you think about radioactive pollution? Is it really wise to build nuclear reactors in earthquake zones?
     
  14. crossfire

    crossfire Antinomian feminist heretic freak ☿
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    The maternal death rate has been steadily rising instead of dropping. It's becoming more dangerous to give birth, not less dangerous.
     
  15. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    Nuclear power technology has come a long way in recent years. It is a lot more safe now. But its still not fool proof, and it is a risk. Its definitely worth taking a look at and considering. Wind and solar are not quite reliable enough yet, and I say being a wind power user at my home.

    Yeah and those deaths are preventable. The birthrate still needs to come up or the U.S and China will become destabilized due to low population.
     
  16. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Greased up & ready for action!
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    Yes.
    But I'll spare everyone my usual lecture about why.
     
  17. shunyadragon

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    Simply yes, Carbon Dioxide is a pollutant. Yes, it is wise to reduce carbon dioxide.. Plants are definitely not under threat due to reduction of carbon dioxide emissions, though the increase levels of carbon dioxide do threaten many animal species due to global warming. You need to clarify your concern for plants.

    Yes there are many pollutants we need to focus on, and some related to global warming, but that is a separate issue. Burning fuels that release carbon dioxide also release other dangerous pollutants, and over manufacture and use of plastics is probably second, and related to carbon dioxide emissions.

    From my perspective of human pollution and global warming I do not consider there to be any practical way to reverse the trend, but nonetheless our attempts to reduce carbon dioxide emissions are beneficial to the human environment and our energy consumption. The world demand for energy and over population are reasons why we likely cannot resolve the emission problem enough to reverse the trend. We will have to deal with global warming for the long term.
     
  18. Erebus

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    So this is intended for comedy but still has a valid point in my opinion:



    Even if somebody is sceptical about climate change, it seems like a tremendous gamble. As ever though, while individuals can certainly contribute, a lot of the work on the environment needs to come from those at the top.
     
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  19. Cacotopia

    Cacotopia Let's go full Trottle

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    Humanity is too successful, and if they don't figure out how to regulate their energy consumption with a growing population that bubble of growth will collapse on itself. The earth has a finite amount of resources available and we have already boosted food production by at least 3x with oil. What happens when that runs out? tweo thirds of the pop going to starve to death and there isn't jack anyone will be able to do about that.

    Growing population centers have an ever increasing chance of rampant epidemics due to burgeoning population sizes. Without some kind of balance and not a growing population that also leads to growing gaps in the tiers of society. Democracy becomes less efficient as the population grows. Standards of living harder to maintain as well. I mean there is a whole SLEW of problems that arise with more people. We can't take care off em all already but people in here are talking about there not being enough.

    That's crazy talk.
     
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    Sad the reasons Thomas Paine anonymously published common sense are still alive, and his opening points about why anonymity still very valid. Except for today well shoot the messenger very eagerly before considering the message. Do some people need a scientist to tell them water is wet?
     
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