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rope snake
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ajay0
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True indeed. One's psychological likes and dislikes create cravings and aversions which distorts the vision.
Thus one mistakenly sees a rope as a garland due to cravings for pleasant sensations of praise or fragance, while the other sees the same rope as a snake due to aversion.
It's soo frustrating that the rope is right in front of me JUST right now but I still cannot perceive it
Sorry I had to vent a bit
It is just lack of attention or attentive awareness.
You miss the real by lack of attention and create the unreal by excess of imagination. -Nisargadatta Maharaj
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Srivijaya
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Sounds like you're attempting an intellectual metaphysical approach. IT (from its own side) requires no understanding at all, so relax and observe the effect IT has on you, without any concern about the nature of IT.so weird that I'm struggling so much to understand IT
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Perhaps you are enlightened. You are really 'seeing'. How can you see what is not there? It is neither rope nor a snake, both are 'maya'.It's soo frustrating that the rope is right in front of me JUST right now but I still cannot perceive it. Sorry I had to vent a bit
'ekam sankhyam ca yogam ca, yaḥ pasyati sa pasyati' BG 5.5
(that the path of works and the path of renunciation are one, who sees thus, he actually sees)
'vinaśyatsv avinaśyantaḿ, yaḥ paśyati sa paśyati' BG 13.28
(that the indestructible in the destructible is never destroyed, who sees thus, he actually sees)
'yaḥ pasyati tathatmanam, akartaram sa pasyati' BG 13.30
(sees himself also as the non-doer, who sees thus, he actually sees)
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It's soo frustrating that the rope is right in front of me JUST right now but I still cannot perceive it
Sorry I had to vent a bit
Are you seeing a snake?
unfortunately yes, I see lots of suffering
sorry for my late reply
No reason to be sorry for, friend. The snake is the natural effect. Regular meditation is required for this purpose only. I am actually being didactic -- without actually practising 100% what I am saying.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
For whom? If for yourself, why?unfortunately yes, I see lots of suffering
No reason to be sorry for, friend. The snake is the natural effect. Regular meditation is required for this purpose only. I am actually being didactic -- without actually practising 100% what I am saying.
I actually started meditating regularly 3 weeks ago, there's no way around it I thought intellectual knowledge was enough to dispell ignorance, but it's NOT, it didn't stop my mind from racing and it didn't eliminate suffering.
I hope I can pull this through, I always manage to stop practicing for some reason or the other
thank you
this world is so evil
and it's not a balance imho whereby evil == good; I definately feel that suffering overshadows everythingthe buddha was right about his first noble truth
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Yes, Buddha was right. And the world is not likely to be changed soon. One has to make the best of the situation.
What kind of meditation are you doing? Are you doing it for more than 15 minutes? Beause IMHO, that is not the correct way to meditate.
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this world is so evil
But this evil world does not exist separate from one's own mind.
that's true. Do you have any type of meditation you could recommend?? I'm doing some kind of breathing meditation right now (counting breaths)
ajay0
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that's true. Do you have any type of meditation you could recommend?? I'm doing some kind of breathing meditation right now (counting breaths)
Just observe your passing thoughts, emotions and sensations without identifying or reacting to it. This is what is meant by witnessing or meditation or attentive awareness. Self-observation precedes Self-knowledge.
Blind identification with the passing thoughts, emotions and sensations or reacting to it is what makes the mind unconscious and generates misery, as one confuses thought based psychological reality for existential reality.
You might find this link insightful.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Yeah, useful. Although I would differ with the 'God' part since I am an atheist.
LIGHT: Home
LIGHT: Home
that's true. Do you have any type of meditation you could recommend?? I'm doing some kind of breathing meditation right now (counting breaths)
I have gone through a few varieties. Currently, I just practice 'japa'.
I have learned that the most fundamental requirement is correct effortless breathing. If the breathing is not smooth and effortless, whatever one does becomes tiring. Regarding breathing, I have a few observations. One must learn the correct yogic breathing from a proper teacher or a correct manual. The most common technique of diaphragm-abdominal breathing (abdomen swelling out due to pushing down of diaphragm (during in breath) and abdomen going in due to pulling up of diaphragm (out breath)) is actually tiring.
I found that practice of Ujjayee pranayama, following the guidelines of B.K.S. Iyengar (The Light of Pranayama), brought back my interest in 'japa'. Ujjayee allows 'japa' to become one's nature. The book is tough to read. The most fundamental teaching therein is 'complete yogic breathing'. If anyone is interested, I suggest reading the book, particularly the steps outlined in pages: 25-29, 114-120 and 143-165.
Best.