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Romans 10:9, John 10:17-18 JESUS is GOD

Discussion in 'Same Faith Debates' started by Desert Snake, Aug 24, 2019.

  1. Desert Snake

    Desert Snake .Jusuist Mystic

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    Romans 10:9
    'God has raised'

    John 10:17-18
    'I myself raise'[Jesus

    • so, Jesus raises Himself, [John 10:17, and, God raises Jesus, [Romans 10:9

    God is one Being, therefore Jesus is God.

    There is no interpretation to these verses.

    God raised Jesus, Romans 10:9
    Jesus raises Himself, John 10:17


    [Biblical religion same faith only
     
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    Desert Snake .Jusuist Mystic

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    If he raised himself he didn't die.
     
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    Do you understand that dead means to not be living?
     
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    Desert Snake .Jusuist Mystic

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    That's why I say the sacrifice isn't "literal".

    He even tells us that in John 10:1-17

    By literal, meaning how some churches infer certain things from it, not saying it isn't real
     
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    Can you explain exactly what you mean?
     
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    Desert Snake .Jusuist Mystic

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    It means the 'sacrifice' is conditional John 10:1-9

    Basically this isn't a literal sacrifice like the type of sacrifices they were normally doing, [all those priestly sacrifices. This isn't the same thing.

    [[Of course, because it is conditional, that's different.
     
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    How do you get that from Jesus being the Door and all who have ears to hear his voice will follow him rather than some other because they don't know the sound of truth.
     
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    Desert Snake .Jusuist Mystic

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    The context is that, the sacrifice isn't unconditional. So, it's totally different, as an idea.
     
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    The sacrifice is conditional upon the obedience of faith
     
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    Agree with that.
     
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    The sacrifices under the law merely pointed to the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus. He obeyed his God and laid down his life. He died. And on the third day God raised him from the dead. Death has no more dominion over him says Paul.
     
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