Rock and God

[questfortruth]

Can God create a rock that He cannot lift?

Is this expression informative? This expression does not carry new information for any of the gods. It is empty. For example, it has not informed me that skin color of Jesus was black. There are two gods. The Existing God is Jesus Christ. And god, non-existent but present, is the triune trinity of sin: satan, Antichrist, and death.

 

[paradox]

Can God create a rock that He cannot lift?

Is this expression informative? This expression does not carry new information for any of the gods. It is empty. For example, it has not informed me that skin color of Jesus was black. There are two gods. The Existing God is Jesus Christ. And god, non-existent but present, is the triune trinity of sin: satan, Antichrist, and death.

Do you seek an answer to whether God can create such rock or you seek to invalidate the question?

 

[questfortruth]

Do you seek an answer to whether God can create such rock or you seek to invalidate the question?

Nothing is clear that I have written, isn't it?

 

[1213]

Can God create a rock that He cannot lift?
...

I believe He can. And if later He would want to lift it, He could as well create more power to Him to lift it.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Disappointed; was expecting a thread about Jim Morrison (original Rock God)

 

[Viker]

 

[paradox]

Nothing is clear that I have written, isn't it?

I think I get it, but not the same way as you?

I believe He can. And if later He would want to lift it, He could as well create more power to Him to lift it.

this is interesting but it doesn't work:
A) God is a being such that there is no greater being.
B) God is a being such that no greater can be conceived.

If God creates a being that is grater than him self then the 2 premises above are false and not a priori which is a problem.

Surely your argument to this is that if God is omnipotent then he can create a being that is Greater.
But the trick is that God is also omnibenevolent.
Therefore if God creates a being that is greater he limits it's power because a being that is grater would replace him and God would be inferior and as such no longer God,
Therefore limiting his power is contradictory to his omnibenevolent nature because it implies not loving himself.

 

[questfortruth]

to invalidate the question

It is not a question, because neither informs the reader nor drives the reader to information.

 

[paradox]

It is not a question, because neither informs the reader nor drives the reader to information.

That's why discussions about God need to start with definition of God.

But general consensus is this:
Definitions of God - PHILOSOPHY DUNGEON

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

A general problem is that if the logic we apply to God is correct, the logic is greater than God, because it limits Her and is happening in us and further this:
This logical argument is correct, therefore it causes God to follow it.

 

[questfortruth]

need to start with definition of God.

Definition of the God: ``He is the Person, whose name is God.
No person in the world carries such a name in 2022 AD.
No Putin, No Trump.'' For there are the verses ``Thomas said to Him,
``My Lord and my God!'' John 20:28, ``In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.'' John 1:1,
and the song: ``If God Was One Of Us (Joan Osborne)'' YouTube.
She sings: ``If God has a name, what would it be?''.

``The Lord is His name!'' Amos 5:8. So, the Lord is the name of God, but
Is God not the name of God? Strange and inconsistent situation. There are many gods: ``there are
so-called gods.'' 1 Corinthians 8:5. And since God is the name, the rest of the
gods are false gods, having stolen God's name.

I'll come to the Last Judgment, and God would say,
``What have you done?! You have been called me God, but I'm Jehovah!''

No, all good words in the Dictionary are God's holy names, such as Love, Science, and Faith. The faith is not ``blind faith'' but faithfulness to God's holy names.

Believer: ``And of course, God is not a title or a name; God is an Essence.
God is neither a name nor a title, but an essence as a human is an essence.
So is the dog; it is not a title and not a name, but an essence.''
Do you think the word God denotes a whole group of beings? Precisely like
the word dog refers to the canine family? Blasphemy.

There is a film line: ``He doesn't understand that he is
the one who has the power to stop it. He cannot imagine that one little boy
could be that important. He has to give me a new name'' in
``The Neverending Story (9/10) Movie CLIP - Call My Name (1984)''. And
the Holy Bible agrees: ``My new name'' Revelation 3:12. I will raise my right hand and
shout it out loud: ``God's Name is God!''

 

[paradox]

Definition of the God: ...

Biblical God can be reduced to:
God is a being that is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenevolent and his existence is necessary.

According to this definition...

Can God create a rock that He cannot lift?

He could because he is omnipotent.
But it is not willing to do it because:
by doing so he would harm himself by limiting his power, which goes against his omnibenevolent nature.

 

[questfortruth]

Biblical God can be reduced to:
God is a being that is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenevolent and his existence is necessary.

Are you defining God as most high, omniscience, omnipotence,
omnipresence? The evil spirit is the second god. To make a difference, one shall define God as the Name. And then the satan has stollen the name god from True God.

He could because he is omnipotent.
But it is not willing to do it because:
by doing so he would harm himself by limiting his power, which goes against his omnibenevolent nature.

No. The Paradox of Omnipotence cannot have a logical solution. The only way to save own faith is to say: that the question is not connected to information.

 

[paradox]

The evil spirit is the second god. To make difference one shall define God as Name. And then the satan has stollen the name god from True God.

Evil spirit is creation of God, made inferior to God and thus not God because God is superior.
Also God is not caused (ex. created), which is not the case with evil spirit.

No. The Paradox of Omnipotence cannot have logical solution. The only way to save own faith is to say: the question is not connected to information.

Now that we defined God, the question IS connected to information which is definition of God.

 

[questfortruth]

Evil spirit is creation of God

Blaspheme! There is no evil in Jesus.

 

[questfortruth]

Now that we defined God, the question IS connected to information which is definition of God.

To correct all the errors of Christians, one needs to write 1000 and more thick books. For example, to prove that God did not create satan because there is no evil in God. God created Saint Lucifer, but not satan.
And that God's name is God, but other gods stole this name for themselves. These are idols. Therefore God is a unique name. And still, no one will believe my books.

 

[Semmelweis Reflex]

Can God create a rock that He cannot lift?

No.

Is this expression informative?

No.

This expression does not carry new information for any of the gods.

Correct.

It is empty. For example, it has not informed me that skin color of Jesus was black.

The skin color of Jesus was not black.

There are two gods.

There are countless gods. Probably billions of gods.

The Existing God is Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is dead.

And god, non-existent but present, is the triune trinity of sin: satan, Antichrist, and death.

Nothing can be non-existent and present simultaneously.

 

[questfortruth]

Nothing can be non-existent and present simultaneously.

God is the source of everything that exists. Evil spirit (the Evil), satan, and
Adolf Hitler do not exist, although they are present. It's like vampires or
zombies; although they are there, they are non-living and do not exist:
``god is dead'' F. Nietzsche about the satan.

Things are classified according to their presence, existence, visibility
[through the eyes, or scientific instruments], life.

A tree in a forest is present, existing, visible, and alive. A brick in a wall
is present, exists, visible, and non-living. Dark Matter and Dark Energy are
present and existent; however, they are invisible [they are not yet detectable by
direct contact with underground detectors] and non-living. A person's soul is
present and existent, invisible [because a surgeon cannot see it during
surgery], and alive [we feel self-awareness]. Augusto Pinochet's demonic soul
is present in the past days but should be classified as non-existent [because
Augusto has lost the God-given right to exist], invisible, non-living. Captain
Nemo (in the novel by Jules Verne) is not present out there in the oceans, but
he still exists [because a good thing has the right to exist]. Professor
Moriarty (a fictional evil character in Arthur Conan Doyle's books) is
non-present and non-existent.

Atheists classify god precisely as the Theists classify satan and vice versa.
But the Atheists are making a colossal mistake: they attribute to him
non-presence. Please let us not confuse the presence with existence!

 

[Fool]

Can God create a rock that He cannot lift?

Is this expression informative? This expression does not carry new information for any of the gods. It is empty. For example, it has not informed me that skin color of Jesus was black. There are two gods. The Existing God is Jesus Christ. And god, non-existent but present, is the triune trinity of sin: satan, Antichrist, and death.

god is the rock that uplifts itself.

psalms 18:2

 

[viole]

I believe He can. And if later He would want to lift it, He could as well create more power to Him to lift it.

That does not work. If He can lift it, then it did not create a rock that He cannot lift, to start with.

ergo, there is a class of things that God cannot do. which means: its omnipotence is limited by what still does not break logic. In the same way, He cannot create married bachelors.

Looks like logic is more powerful than Him, and more a-priori than Him, and He cannot bypass it, without becoming incoherent.

Ciao

- viole