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Robert E. Lee Statue In Virginia Will Be Removed

tytlyf

Not Religious
The confederate DemoKKKrat statue of Robert E Lee will finally be removed due to the protests. This is long overdue. If you want to view the statue, put it on private property.

Virginia will remove a statue honoring Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee in the city of Richmond "as soon as possible," Gov. Ralph Northam announced Thursday.

"Today, we're here to be honest about our past and talk about our future," Northam said, adding: "We have to confront where we've been in order to shape where we're going."

The statue will be placed into storage, where it will remain until government leaders and the community can discuss its future, according to the governor.

"In Virginia, for more than 400 years, we have set high ideals about freedom and equality," Northam said, "but we have fallen short of many of them."

The statue will be removed from Richmond's Monument Avenue, which is lined with effigies of Confederate generals. Of all the monuments, Lee's looms the largest — and unlike the others, it is owned by the state, a six-story monument on a 100-foot island of land that the state also owns.
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Massive Robert E. Lee Statue In Richmond, Va., Will Be Removed
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Beyond stupid. Guess the PC police do not understand history.
No, it's a good idea to remove the statue.
This move will eliminate police racism, & end brutality.
Symbols aren't just symbols, they're the problem.
We're finally seeing positive change due to the protests.

Edit:
To be clear, I'm being sarcastic.
 
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bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
The confederate DemoKKKrat statue of Robert E Lee will finally be removed due to the protests. This is long overdue. If you want to view the statue, put it on private property.

Massive Robert E. Lee Statue In Richmond, Va., Will Be Removed

This is a statement about how bad government is right now. The have no idea of what the people actually want and no idea of how to solve it so they are just doing things to do things, hoping to get it right. The problem doesn't just stop with the police force.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That famous guy who helped end slavery...

Well....

Apparently defacing the Lincoln memorial sends a message.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
No, it's a good idea to remove the statue.
This move will eliminate police racism, & end brutality.

It will? I have a feeling you're being sarcastic here.

Symbols aren't just symbols, they're the problem.
We're finally seeing positive change due to the protests.

There may be some positive change in the long run as a result of this, but only if society is able to learn and understand the lessons being taught.
 

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
Beyond stupid. Guess the PC police do not understand history.
Where are the staues to Pol Pot? eh?
Is he mentioned in history books? Sure! As a bad guy.

Statues of nazi generals? In germany? Nope. In the US? Nope.

Statues of George Washington? All over the place in the US!
Statues of general Charles Cornwallis? Benadict Arnold?

Where such images exist is in museums and libraries. They are kept there so that people do not forget their history, so that people will be reminded of when people in the past did things wrong, and/or did them for the wrong reasons. So that future generations will strive to avoid doing the wrong things again.
Never to commemorate them.

The leaders of the Confederacy were wrong, and did the wrong thing. They are remembered in history books, as a warning.

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Why do you think the US army rigged these explosives and filmed this particular moment to be preserved through history?
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
This is a statement about how bad government is right now. The have no idea of what the people actually want and no idea of how to solve it so they are just doing things to do things, hoping to get it right. The problem doesn't just stop with the police force.

It sounds like you're saying the government is woefully out of touch with the needs of the people. It may not be just the government, but it may include the ruling elite as a whole, including the media, the business community, academia, and even the religious leadership.

I don't know that they're really as clueless as they appear. I think the real problem is that they're afraid to face certain bleak truths about life in these United States.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Where are the staues to Pol Pot? eh?
Is he mentioned in history books? Sure! As a bad guy.

Statues of nazi generals? In germany? Nope. In the US? Nope.

Statues of George Washington? All over the place in the US!
Statues of general Charles Cornwallis? Benadict Arnold?

Where such images exist is in museums and libraries. They are kept there so that people do not forget their history, so that people will be reminded of when people in the past did things wrong, and/or did them for the wrong reasons. So that future generations will strive to avoid doing the wrong things again.
Never to commemorate them.

The leaders of the Confederacy were wrong, and did the wrong thing. They are remembered in history books, as a warning.

UX4lal2.gif

Why do you think the US army rigged these explosives and filmed this particular moment to be preserved through history?

There are many reasons why the US government chooses to do what it has done, although not everyone believes that their motive is to "right the world's wrongs."

I don't really care if people want to tear down statues or destroy the graven images and symbols of the Confederacy, but think about the message that it sends. It's as much as saying that slavery, racism, bigotry and other atrocities never existed from 1776-1861 and then from 1865 to the present. It was only during those four years (1861-65) and in 11 states that these horrible things happened. Nothing bad ever happened in the 39 other states, and the Federal government has been nothing but saints and choir boys all along.

Do you still think they're giving us an accurate picture of history?
 

Tambourine

Well-Known Member
As far as I know, most Confederate statues in the US were installed in the 1900s, half a century after the Confederacy's defeat in the American Civil War. The R.E. Lee monument in Monument Avenue seems to be actually one of the oldest in Virginia, having been commissioned in 1890, with the accompanying Jefferson Davis and J.E.B. Stuart monuments only being built in the early 1900s.

EDIT: If anything, they're a monument to the resurgence of racism and white supremacy in the early 1900s. Whether that warrants public monuments is a question for the American people, of course.
 
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tytlyf

Not Religious
There are many reasons why the US government chooses to do what it has done, although not everyone believes that their motive is to "right the world's wrongs."

I don't really care if people want to tear down statues or destroy the graven images and symbols of the Confederacy, but think about the message that it sends. It's as much as saying that slavery, racism, bigotry and other atrocities never existed from 1776-1861 and then from 1865 to the present. It was only during those four years (1861-65) and in 11 states that these horrible things happened. Nothing bad ever happened in the 39 other states, and the Federal government has been nothing but saints and choir boys all along.

Do you still think they're giving us an accurate picture of history?
That's not how anyone views it. Sorry.
 

Tambourine

Well-Known Member
I think it's worth noting that Germany and Austria did not keep the Nazi monuments built between 1933 and 1945.
Rather, in their place, they built memorials to the victims of the Holocaust and WW2.

Perhaps Americans in the South should think about something like that, if they fear the memory of slavery and white supremacy is going to be erased once all monuments to the Confederacy have been toppled.
 
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Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
There are many reasons why the US government chooses to do what it has done, although not everyone believes that their motive is to "right the world's wrongs."

I don't really care if people want to tear down statues or destroy the graven images and symbols of the Confederacy, but think about the message that it sends. It's as much as saying that slavery, racism, bigotry and other atrocities never existed from 1776-1861 and then from 1865 to the present. It was only during those four years (1861-65) and in 11 states that these horrible things happened. Nothing bad ever happened in the 39 other states, and the Federal government has been nothing but saints and choir boys all along.

Do you still think they're giving us an accurate picture of history?
As the posts between yours and mine here show, it is the opposite.
Those old Confederate Memorial‘s are an attempt to white-wash all of the bigotry and hatred and racism that went into the creation of the confederacy.
Their attempt to erase history from the minds of the people in the south is what needs to be destroyed.

I think that memorials showing slave abuse and Americans willingly killing other Americans so that they might continue to be slaveowners would be a better (and more accurate) way to remember the Civil War than glorifying enemy generals.
Would you agree?
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
That's not how anyone views it.

It's pretty obvious that many people do view it that way. The reason being is that they can't bear to face certain bleak truths about their own country's history (and the government which currently rules it), so they have to concoct some kind of "distraction" to keep the masses confused.

All one has to do is read between the lines of what the media and politicians are presenting. It's pretty clear and obvious how they "view it."


You should be.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
When Robin Williams saw this monument, he remarked; "Wow! It's the biggest second place trophy I've ever seen". :)
 

esmith

Veteran Member
I wouldn't count myself PC police, but ignoring the prejorative for a moment...care to extrapolate?
Destroying a reminder of our National history does not remove the history all it does is try to hid it.
If we are to remember our National history we have to have a statue, graveyard, or some other symbol to remind us of that history, whether it is good or bad.
George Santayana "those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it" is something to remember.
Should we wipe from the face of this country monuments like the Little Bighorn Battlefield National Monuments or others that there is controversy over what they represent?
 
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